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Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - John Povejsil/MN
1/10/2007 7:17:29 AM (2414 views)
Re: Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 9:45:28 AM (2969 views)
Re: Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - Seth Levine/MD
1/10/2007 1:45:51 PM (3060 views)
Re: Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - Chris Konzel/NY
1/10/2007 6:34:38 PM (2876 views)
Re: Title Premiums Below Filed Rate - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 9:53:09 AM (2948 views)

America's Most Wanted Criminals Aren't - David Bloys/TX
1/9/2007 10:35:15 AM (3060 views)

Who's In Your Courthouse? - David Bloys/TX
1/9/2007 10:10:47 AM (3462 views)
Re: Who's In Your Courthouse? - Jan Forster/NC
1/9/2007 12:12:20 PM (2961 views)

OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2007 11:57:40 AM (4104 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - John Povejsil/MN
1/8/2007 1:26:49 PM (3047 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2007 2:35:29 PM (3081 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - John Povejsil/MN
1/8/2007 6:12:41 PM (3039 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - David Jenkins/PA
1/9/2007 10:31:39 AM (3083 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 1:37:43 PM (3311 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Chris Konzel/NY
1/9/2007 7:43:47 PM (3130 views)
Re: OHIO: Closing Protection Coverage - Patrick Scott/IL
1/9/2007 8:57:51 PM (2976 views)

copy fees - NANCY WALLACE/NJ
1/8/2007 8:59:50 AM (2367 views)
Re: copy fees - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2007 2:32:33 PM (5010 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2007 4:36:27 PM (2971 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/8/2007 4:46:10 PM (2947 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2007 11:41:28 PM (2897 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/9/2007 7:43:28 AM (2978 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2007 4:51:44 PM (2891 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 4:59:01 PM (2922 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2007 5:12:38 PM (2768 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/10/2007 8:17:49 AM (2807 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/10/2007 9:49:48 AM (2832 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/10/2007 11:00:33 AM (4649 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/10/2007 11:08:17 AM (2786 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/10/2007 11:10:38 AM (2831 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/10/2007 12:00:22 PM (2733 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 9:50:09 AM (2844 views)
Re: copy fees - Chris Konzel/NY
1/9/2007 10:13:33 AM (2842 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/9/2007 10:15:40 AM (2802 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 11:06:59 AM (2838 views)
Re: copy fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/9/2007 11:24:14 AM (2789 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 11:35:36 AM (2819 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2007 4:36:25 PM (13417 views)
Re: copy fees - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 4:54:35 PM (2771 views)
Re: copy fees - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2007 5:08:28 PM (2789 views)
Re: copy fees - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2007 11:48:13 PM (2756 views)




Criminal Consulting? - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2007 10:34:18 PM (2324 views)
who said crime doesn't pay? - Rich M/ME
1/8/2007 3:55:57 AM (2923 views)
Re: who said crime doesn't pay? - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2007 11:05:47 AM (2974 views)
Re: Criminal Consulting? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/8/2007 7:37:38 AM (2908 views)
Re: Criminal Consulting? - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2007 1:01:27 PM (4708 views)

Speaking of Doc Edge... - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/6/2007 3:11:11 PM (2382 views)
Re: Speaking of Doc Edge... - Jan Forster/NC
1/6/2007 5:48:00 PM (5131 views)
Re: Speaking of Doc Edge... - Matt Papsch/MD
1/9/2007 10:51:14 AM (3006 views)
Re: Speaking of Doc Edge... - Seth Levine/MD
1/10/2007 1:47:56 PM (2799 views)

What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/6/2007 3:00:34 PM (2335 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/6/2007 4:12:15 PM (2989 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Scott Perry/PA
1/6/2007 8:37:55 PM (2929 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Chris Konzel/NY
1/7/2007 2:01:53 AM (2841 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/7/2007 3:56:17 AM (2950 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - Norean Cashwell/GA
1/7/2007 11:06:21 AM (2928 views)
Re: What about a Court Clerk doing searches? - NANCY WALLACE/NJ
1/8/2007 8:50:01 AM (3029 views)

Revealing my age.. - Jan Forster/NC
1/5/2007 10:00:02 PM (2354 views)
Re: Revealing my age.. - Scott Perry/PA
1/5/2007 11:40:15 PM (2926 views)
Re: Revealing my age.. - Jan Forster/NC
1/5/2007 11:48:42 PM (2905 views)
Re: Revealing my age.. - Scott Perry/PA
1/6/2007 8:34:12 PM (2794 views)

Non payment advise - Christina Dutro/AL
1/5/2007 8:50:38 AM (2373 views)
Re: Non payment advise - Patrick Scott/IL
1/5/2007 10:21:54 AM (2844 views)
Re: Non payment advise - Chris Konzel/NY
1/5/2007 6:30:51 PM (2988 views)

US Title - Wendi See/SC
1/4/2007 9:12:36 PM (2443 views)
Re: US Title - Jan Forster/NC
1/4/2007 9:56:42 PM (2949 views)
Re: US Title - Anita Backlund/MN
1/11/2007 7:08:25 PM (2973 views)

INFINITY - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/4/2007 8:04:08 PM (2482 views)
Re: INFINITY - Wendi See/SC
1/4/2007 9:09:02 PM (2978 views)
Re: INFINITY - Chris Konzel/NY
1/5/2007 8:22:33 AM (3045 views)
Re: INFINITY - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/5/2007 9:54:05 AM (3053 views)
Re: INFINITY - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/5/2007 10:34:11 AM (3028 views)
Re: INFINITY - J Nisonger/CA
1/5/2007 7:31:41 PM (4824 views)
Re: INFINITY - Wendi See/SC
1/5/2007 7:35:04 PM (3046 views)
Re: INFINITY - J Nisonger/CA
1/5/2007 7:56:15 PM (3057 views)
Re: INFINITY - Chris Konzel/NY
1/5/2007 8:59:21 PM (3027 views)
Re: INFINITY - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2007 2:18:41 PM (4828 views)
Re: INFINITY.......I AM GOING INSANE - Loretta Reed/MD
1/15/2007 2:26:53 PM (2953 views)
Re: INFINITY - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/6/2007 8:10:43 AM (3093 views)
Re: INFINITY - Robert Breakell/CT
1/7/2007 10:20:28 AM (2943 views)

American Abstract/National Abstract - Scott Perry/PA
1/4/2007 4:25:21 PM (2542 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Patrick Tarr/NE
1/4/2007 7:13:54 PM (3036 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Matt Papsch/MD
1/9/2007 10:57:57 AM (3008 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Julie Jasiunas/WI
1/4/2007 7:24:35 PM (2933 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Wendi See/SC
1/4/2007 9:10:22 PM (2916 views)
Re: American Abstract/National Abstract - Scott Perry/PA
1/5/2007 11:42:00 PM (2979 views)

Contemporary Again - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/3/2007 8:58:26 PM (2373 views)
Re: Contemporary Again - NANCY WALLACE/NJ
1/7/2007 9:45:39 AM (2834 views)

Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
1/3/2007 12:13:45 PM (2453 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Jay Duncan/MO
1/3/2007 1:54:00 PM (3130 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/3/2007 2:50:38 PM (3419 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/3/2007 2:45:39 PM (3314 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Scott Perry/PA
1/3/2007 5:06:30 PM (3238 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
1/3/2007 5:25:24 PM (3052 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/3/2007 6:23:52 PM (2970 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Chris Konzel/NY
1/3/2007 6:41:53 PM (2913 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Rich M/ME
1/3/2007 9:17:11 PM (2940 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Chris Konzel/NY
1/3/2007 9:29:19 PM (2886 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/4/2007 9:52:21 AM (3708 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - george Hubka/MI
1/4/2007 7:55:13 PM (2880 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Chris Konzel/NY
1/5/2007 8:20:35 AM (2873 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
1/5/2007 9:18:12 AM (2801 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/5/2007 9:46:38 AM (2896 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Patrick Scott/IL
1/5/2007 10:46:25 AM (2942 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - George Booth/OH
1/5/2007 11:39:20 AM (3015 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Robert Franco/OH
1/5/2007 3:23:04 PM (2897 views)
Re: Your opinion please. - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/5/2007 12:19:40 PM (3063 views)

Chris:

If by he, you are referring to me...then for the record, I am a title insurance agent as well as an attorney...as all title insurance agents are required to be in the State of Connecticut. The above questions would be the ones I would ask if a claim arose, and they would certainly be the ones which I would explore if I were representing someone in such litigation.

Ultimately full disclosure is required in order to avoid claims of bank fraud or insurance fraud. Those matters impacting on title to real estate which are objectionable are listed as exceptions to coverage. Many items appear on a credit report or loan application that are never recorded in the land records possibly because they do not impair title.

By the way, it is not that easy to escape conviction for bank fraud by "playing stupid." There is always something in the paper trail that trips defendants up. I know an attorney who did something that he believed quite innocent, but was convicted, disbarred and sentenced to pay a $10,000.00 fine and serve 1,000 hours of community service.

With respect to your water pipe scenario, I assume that an easement, encroachment or reservation of water rights would have been recorded. If so it should have shown up in the land records, title abstract and on the title insurance committment. If not, then I think the problem lies with the recorder's office. In Connecticut the various Town Clerks are liable for negligence, and are not protected by the Sovereign Immunity Doctrine which protects State and Federal employees. If it were some type of prescriptive easement or adverse possession, it would have had to have been held openly and notoriously, and would be common knowledge to all.
I would also think that there would be construction records filed with the local engineering /building dept, possibly showing up in tax assessor's records, possibly improvements showing up in appraisals or surveys/maps..

In so far as your criminal defendant is concerned ...it is a poor example. Remember, defendants are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He may be completely innocent, and as you say have super credit. In which case the renegging party may be open to a suit for slander of credit. I do agree that if the matter came to one's attention some discussion should be had on the issue, but I assume that this would have been explored early in the loan application process. Usually questions are asked as to the purpose for which the loan has been taken. If there is no conviction and no other title problems, it is difficult to see how a problem would result if the subsequent mortgage is recorded with the appropriate priority.

Even liens filed by crime victims are subsequent in priority to previously  recorded mortgages. I know someone that was convicted on various counts of fraud several years ago. The "victims" were six insurance companies. They filed crime victims liens on any property of the defendant's that they could find...whether or not it was truely subject to their lien rights. I represented a partnership in which the defendant was included and to which he had conveyed real estate. Connecticut has a statutory tenancy by partnership through which property conveyed into partnership is treated almost the same as if it had been conveyed into a corporation. The six insurance companies filed crime victims liens on the partnership property. I was able to successfully argue that the lien was invalid because of the statutory tenancy by partnership. The judge agreed, and the lien was released. So, I have some difficulty with your example.

Finally, I do agree that if an unrecorded mortgage does come to your attention, it should be listed as an exception to coverage to the extent that such inforamtion is available. It can also be covered in the general exceptions to coverage built into every policy. I draft them into every policy I generate.

However, I do not think that all is lost in the event of an unrecorded mortgage not coming to your attention before the closing. Here in Connecticut, the purpose of the recording is to notify subsequent lien holders of the security interest, and to preserve the mortgagee's priority among the lien holder's. It is my understanding that a security interest must be properly perfected by recording or else it is defective. If unperfected, it will be effective as between the signatories to the mortgage, but not against third party lien holders who would have relied on the notice. In such case it would be arguable as to whether there was any encumbrance on the property, and if so it would not take priority over lien holders that had recorded since the date of signing, but prior to the recording.  The lender's option is to sue on the note instead for money damages and to secure the claim through attachment/garnishment of a variety of other assets belonging to the mortgagor...possibly more attractive than a foreclosure.

 

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