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Where is this industry headed? - D/AL
1/17/2007 9:07:55 PM (2456 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Robert Franco/OH
1/18/2007 12:16:34 PM (3095 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Scott Perry/PA
1/18/2007 3:54:52 PM (3123 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
1/18/2007 10:57:07 PM (3131 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - Scott Perry/PA
1/18/2007 11:29:24 PM (3063 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
1/19/2007 10:04:03 AM (3037 views)
Re: Where is this industry headed? - john franz/NJ
1/18/2007 3:58:42 PM (2983 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Jeanine Johnson/FL
1/18/2007 5:36:37 PM (2999 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - George Booth/OH
1/21/2007 1:07:52 AM (3068 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/21/2007 6:07:22 AM (3013 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - David Bloys/TX
1/24/2007 8:28:29 PM (3022 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - Wanda Steudel/OH
1/25/2007 10:00:53 AM (3000 views)
Re: I Cannot believe it does what it says - George Booth/OH
1/26/2007 9:27:19 AM (3131 views)

ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/17/2007 1:22:51 PM (3442 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/17/2007 9:11:18 PM (2854 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - Robert Franco/OH
1/18/2007 12:20:37 PM (2916 views)
Re: ID Theft Bill Targets County Websites - David Bloys/TX
1/19/2007 10:16:30 AM (2861 views)

Is E-Filing Secure? - David Bloys/TX
1/16/2007 8:54:43 PM (3013 views)

Full disclosure - Chris Konzel/NY
1/16/2007 7:13:42 PM (2346 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 3:52:37 AM (3172 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Chris Konzel/NY
1/17/2007 7:13:14 AM (3045 views)
Re: Full disclosure - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 7:48:17 AM (2922 views)
Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/17/2007 8:10:35 AM (3412 views)

Not a lawyer, from a purely many years real estate paralegal, former residential loan auditor for CT banks:

It is a very fine line, however, for attorney's personal representation to the purchaser/borrower or seller, the attorney is not required to disclose that fee under federal or state law to the other party or lender.  For example, the seller's attorney may be providing personal representation to the seller only, his legal advice and work product having nothing to do with the purchaser's "loan," therefore, Seller's attorney (P.O.C.) [disclosing that there is a fee, however, it is paid outside the closing transaction and that fee is nobody's business but the client's]. For example, the purchaser/borrower's attorney may NOT be the "settlement agent," "title insurance agent," or represent the lender, his legal advice and review of the documents is strictly for the client's benefit (P.O.C.).  In moldy pre-non-attorney refinance days, you would see an attorney's fee on the "settlement fee" line [fee for lender work being disclosed, borrower required to pay a fee which the lender often set] and on the attorney fee (attorney fee for additional representation such as reviewing/negotiating the purchaser & sale agreement) line of the HUD.

Kevin, correct me if I am wrong, but in a nutshell the attorney fee disclosure is for attorney services required by the lender, that benefit the lender, in connection with the mortgage loan, and paid for by the borrower.  What/how disclosed is a fine line. Over many years I've seen it crossed by lenders, attorneys, mortgage brokers, real estate agents, purchasers/sellers (such as cash back deals after the closing outside the attorneys' presence) off the settlement statement - usually without financial harm to anyone; i.e., no one but the auditor cares. Good news is on a regular basis a percentage of randomly chosen residential loan HUD-1s ARE reviewed by independent (lender and secondary market purchaser), state and federal auditors - bad things are caught eventually ... it's a matter of time, luck, and auditor knowledge, which is why over the years the HUD-1 changed and the HUD-1A appeared.

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Re: Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 8:33:14 AM (3122 views)
Re: Attorney fees on HUD-1 or HUD-1A - Chris Konzel/NY
1/17/2007 10:42:55 PM (3151 views)

International company? - Patricia Shaw/MD
1/16/2007 2:43:57 PM (2300 views)
Re: International company? - Craig Honeker/AZ
1/16/2007 3:32:58 PM (5193 views)
Re: International company? - Dorothy Payne/NY
1/16/2007 9:51:35 PM (3095 views)




Datikala Abstract Co/Darryl Rush - Anne Gilbert/VT
1/15/2007 1:25:41 PM (1973 views)

Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 5:15:45 AM (2340 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 9:41:55 AM (2996 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 10:34:55 AM (3051 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 10:53:05 AM (3074 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Bloys/TX
1/15/2007 9:40:08 PM (5319 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/15/2007 11:09:06 PM (3063 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - Jan Forster/NC
1/15/2007 11:24:54 PM (5272 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Bloys/TX
1/16/2007 12:38:45 AM (5274 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2007 6:43:17 AM (3035 views)
Re: Recorder Campaign Advice Needed - David Jenkins/PA
1/16/2007 1:42:16 PM (3020 views)

The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/14/2007 10:30:25 PM (2347 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2007 12:47:27 AM (5267 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/16/2007 7:04:23 AM (3043 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Jay Duncan/MO
1/16/2007 9:48:09 AM (3155 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/16/2007 10:28:22 AM (3059 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2007 6:30:10 AM (2949 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2007 9:01:48 PM (2979 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Patrick Scott/IL
1/16/2007 10:58:39 PM (2918 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Wanda Steudel/OH
1/17/2007 10:41:52 AM (3044 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Nikky/FL
1/17/2007 5:40:45 PM (2891 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - SHARON YAHRAES/ID
1/17/2007 9:08:26 PM (3016 views)
Re: The NALTEA Conference - Kurt deVries/FL
1/18/2007 12:45:02 PM (2910 views)

ACCU-FAX AUTHENTIC FILE RETRIEVAL SERVICE - Austin Whitaker/NY
1/14/2007 10:21:01 PM (1950 views)

Online invoices - Alan Voorheis/WA
1/13/2007 6:15:56 PM (3387 views)
Re: Online invoices - Anne Gilbert/VT
1/15/2007 1:16:30 PM (2856 views)
Re: Online invoices - Alan Voorheis/WA
1/17/2007 9:19:14 AM (2853 views)

Oneida County Pulls Plug on Internet Records - David Bloys/TX
1/13/2007 1:25:59 PM (2989 views)

Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/11/2007 1:41:04 PM (3645 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Chris Konzel/NY
1/11/2007 8:26:41 PM (3266 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/12/2007 5:04:09 AM (5488 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/12/2007 1:36:55 PM (3161 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - george Hubka/MI
1/12/2007 7:42:53 PM (3123 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/12/2007 9:34:03 PM (3081 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 10:37:42 AM (3175 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/15/2007 11:49:43 AM (3096 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - John Povejsil/MN
1/15/2007 1:30:02 PM (3072 views)
Re: Predatory Lending - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/15/2007 2:55:24 PM (3097 views)

See you in San Diego! - Robert Franco/OH
1/11/2007 1:02:27 PM (3209 views)
Re: See you in San Diego! - Jay Duncan/MO
1/11/2007 1:17:01 PM (2847 views)
Re: See you in San Diego! - Patrick Scott/IL
1/11/2007 2:44:37 PM (2894 views)

My Brother sent me this today. - George Booth/OH
1/10/2007 5:21:30 PM (2396 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Jay Duncan/MO
1/10/2007 6:28:10 PM (2870 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Deborah Manion/VA
1/10/2007 7:46:39 PM (2937 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Patrick Scott/IL
1/10/2007 11:05:25 PM (2871 views)
Re: My Brother sent me this today. - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 11:40:29 PM (2979 views)

NEW! Source of Title Blog - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2007 12:10:07 PM (2351 views)
Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Deborah Manion/VA
1/10/2007 7:47:49 PM (2865 views)
Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Deborah Manion/VA
1/10/2007 7:52:48 PM (2821 views)
Re: NEW! Source of Title Blog - Robert Franco/OH
1/11/2007 10:58:39 AM (2886 views)


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