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E-mail mistakes you don't want to make. - Ethics/OH
3/1/2007 4:42:02 PM (3806 views)
Re: E-mail mistakes you don't want to make. - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 2:47:45 PM (3478 views)

Texas AG abatement - Robert Franco/OH
3/1/2007 4:40:40 PM (2546 views)
Re: Texas AG abatement - Kelli Gorman/TX
3/2/2007 11:41:56 AM (3357 views)

Legislative CALL TO ACTION re Attorney General opinion on public records - David Bloys/TX
2/28/2007 1:21:12 AM (3112 views)

non payers - Hannah McGinnis/IN
2/27/2007 10:51:54 PM (2643 views)
Re: non payers - Jay Duncan/MO
2/27/2007 11:44:03 PM (5517 views)
Re: non payers - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/28/2007 6:36:06 AM (3647 views)

Texas Atty Gen, Greg Abbott - Jan Forster/NC
2/27/2007 7:42:49 PM (2004 views)




Resource/Clear Tract - Dorothy Payne/NY
2/27/2007 5:53:30 PM (2665 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/28/2007 5:40:18 AM (3471 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Jessica Talley/NJ
3/5/2007 7:18:25 AM (3413 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Dorothy Payne/NY
3/6/2007 9:25:35 PM (3151 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - george Hubka/MI
3/7/2007 7:24:30 PM (3172 views)

Eclipse Title - Hannah McGinnis/IN
2/27/2007 2:17:04 PM (2509 views)
Re: Eclipse Title - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 4:23:53 PM (3391 views)

Patriot Title LLC - Joseph Hess/PA
2/27/2007 11:31:03 AM (2302 views)

Expert Analyzes Impact of Texas AG's Opinion - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2007 12:41:37 AM (3134 views)

No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/26/2007 11:24:34 PM (2616 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Terri Langert/CA
2/27/2007 1:16:52 PM (3487 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/28/2007 2:48:11 AM (3288 views)

Pro Bono Notary service - Jim Lissemore/NJ
2/24/2007 5:21:01 PM (2559 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - george Hubka/MI
2/26/2007 8:58:42 PM (3358 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - Loretta Reed/MD
2/27/2007 10:56:09 AM (3437 views)

Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:03:35 AM (3433 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Jan Forster/NC
2/24/2007 9:40:14 AM (3707 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:51:31 AM (3619 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 10:12:36 AM (5620 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/25/2007 12:30:58 PM (3559 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2007 2:27:50 PM (3599 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/26/2007 12:29:25 PM (3864 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 12:14:41 AM (3488 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2007 1:00:00 AM (5566 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/27/2007 3:51:05 PM (3641 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 6:22:57 PM (3369 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 7:17:09 PM (3605 views)
Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Jan Forster/NC
2/27/2007 7:40:55 PM (3541 views)
Re: Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 9:56:21 PM (3484 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 10:35:41 PM (3490 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/28/2007 11:20:48 AM (3519 views)

To answer your questions, in my lay opinion:

(1) In your review of the AG opinion does it specifically state records on the Internet or records in general  or both?  Section 552.147 restricts access to the SSNs in the clerk's records that are subject to the Public Information Act.  Presumably that would mean both on-line and in the courthouse.  The AG opinion specifically addresses the issue of on-line records by saying that SSNs of living persons must be redacted before making the information available on the Internet.  However, more generally, the opinion states that the PIA limits the voluntary disclosure of information
to the public.

(2)  In terms of protecting the public - what's your opinion re:  availability of documents if I travel to the courthouse?  Information at the courthouse level is also protected and there does need to be some control under the current law as interpreted by the attorney general.  After reading his opinion, I agree with his conclusions.  He went through all of the proper steps in analyzing the law and his application is sound.

However, I think indirectly he mentions that the purpose of the legislation is to prevent the "uncontrolled release of SSNs to a member of the public."  I believe that by restricting access to the county level, there IS some control.  Those who visit the courthouse in person are seen by the clerks, as well as other responsible title professionals, who are more apt to notice someone searching for SSNs, or otherwise gathering information in an unethical manner.  There is some accountability that is inherent in appearing in person.

The concern of the clerk's is certainly warranted.  I think that there would be potential for them to be held responsible, under this legislation, if someone were to appear in person and leave the office with SSNs gathered from the public records.  But, I think that the steps they have taken are over-kill. If I were a county clerk, I would begin by having all of those who require access to the public records sign-in.  I would also look into the possibility of having them sign a agreement that they would not gather any SSNs, or otherwise do anything that would subject the office to penalties under Section 552.147, and an indemnity if they do.  Furthermore, I would not allow them to make any copies, rather, the clerks should make any necessary copies taking careful steps to redact any SSNs before the copies are made. 

This is not a perfect solution, but it does help provide some protection for the clerks and nobody could argue that they didn't take reasonable precautions against the "uncontrolled release of SSNs."  I'm not sure if there is any element of "intent," or some specific "standard of care," required in the legislation, but perhaps that would be the best way to resolve the problems.  No law, other than one that prevents all access, can completely prevent the "unintentional" disclosure of an SSN; even if every document is reviewed, someone is going to miss one sooner or later.  Taking reasonable precautions at the courthouse would enable business to continue as normal, while the mass publication on the Internet would certainly be reckless. 

Finally, I would just like to mention that I am awful sorry to hear about the problems this has created in some of the Texas counties.  I still think that Texas is moving in the right direction, but obviously, the very literal reading of the opinion has been taken to extremes.  I hope that the legislators can address the problem without making Section 552.147 meaningless for the millions of citizens it is designed to protect.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/28/2007 9:37:48 PM (3532 views)

Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/23/2007 11:46:30 PM (2576 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/24/2007 10:47:53 AM (3418 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Leigh Rampey/SC
2/26/2007 4:21:53 AM (3387 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/26/2007 8:37:40 AM (3691 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 7:58:09 AM (3520 views)

Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Gena Taylor/VA
2/23/2007 6:04:17 PM (2581 views)
Re: ..... AFX - Dave Pell/GA
2/23/2007 7:47:01 PM (3613 views)
Re: ..... AFX - Russ Frye/GA
2/26/2007 10:00:50 PM (3366 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Wendi See/SC
2/25/2007 12:19:43 PM (3498 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/26/2007 7:37:45 AM (3514 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Kristi Lee/NE
2/26/2007 9:34:34 AM (3414 views)

Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Dave Ellis/WI
2/23/2007 12:04:28 PM (2504 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Stephen Williams/MO
2/23/2007 2:02:42 PM (3658 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Julie Jasiunas/WI
2/23/2007 6:28:18 PM (3607 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/24/2007 10:44:09 AM (3507 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Sherry Sapier/FL
2/26/2007 12:18:29 PM (3403 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - george Hubka/MI
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