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Eclipse payments - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 8:20:00 AM (2805 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/2/2007 8:29:38 AM (3343 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Robb Grandon/OH
3/2/2007 9:38:28 AM (3221 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/2/2007 9:55:37 AM (3228 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 2:42:07 PM (3174 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 2:10:19 PM (3173 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/2/2007 4:48:06 PM (3159 views)
Re: Eclipse payments- Bank loan???? - george Hubka/MI
3/2/2007 8:34:04 PM (3171 views)
Re: Eclipse payments- Bank loan???? - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/3/2007 5:00:47 PM (3213 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/3/2007 4:45:49 PM (3110 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/3/2007 6:07:21 PM (3145 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/3/2007 11:22:19 PM (3123 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/4/2007 3:35:26 AM (3056 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - george Hubka/MI
3/4/2007 9:16:28 AM (3093 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 2:32:54 PM (3114 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 2:21:26 PM (2982 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/4/2007 2:32:32 PM (3077 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 2:33:38 PM (3111 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/4/2007 3:01:34 PM (3277 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 8:30:48 PM (3173 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/5/2007 11:16:26 AM (3341 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/5/2007 11:26:10 AM (3326 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Patrick Tarr/NE
3/7/2007 12:36:24 PM (2975 views)
I, for one, am perfectly happy having Kevin be my spokesperson on an issue such as this.  All he did was ask a perfectly reasonable, legitimate question.  I think this is most definately the proper forum for companies, especially newer ones, to state their exact payment policies.  I am tired of "manning up" and calling companies in private, only to be lied to.  Six different people can call the same company six different times and be given six different answers.  It would be nice for companies to post here so that everyone is being told the same thing.  

It certainly seems like Wayne is being very forthright and has the best intentions.  I have no reason to doubt him and I personally believe he intends to do his very best to make sure we are taken care of.  

That being said, there are two seeds of doubt that I am sure most of us have:

The first is that he had a relationship with a company that has had numerous payment issues.  He has acknowledged this and has stated that he wants to do things better so that never happens with his company.  I admire and respect that of him.  As I stated, I have no reason to doubt him.  I dont think he should have to pay for "the sins of the father", so to speak.  So this doesnt really bother me.

The second aspect is that it is a relatively new business.  I think this aspect is at the heart of Kevin's question.  When dealing with a new business, I would like to know how good of a footing they are on.  When I started out, I knew that I had to be able to pay my bills for a few months before I could count on being paid.  This is the question for Eclipse.  Do they have a financial reserve at start up to pay their bills, regardless of whether their clients have paid them?  Or are they just paying as they get paid?  If it is the latter, then their company is a house of cards just waiting to collapse. If this is the case, then it wouldnt matter what Wayne's intentions are, because it is out of his hands.  All it would take is one of his clients to slow-pay or no-pay him and it would start a chain reaction.  This is what Kevin is trying to find out- for all of us.  No one is attacking Wayne.  I would be more than willing to give Wayne a chance if I can find out that I will get paid no matter what-- even if his clients stiff him-- within 30 days.  And no, I am not going to call and ask personally.  Any answer to a business question that someone can say to me personally can be answered in his forum, so that we all know we are getting the same answer.  

 I do feel for Wayne.  Starting up a business in this environment is tough.  So many of us have had problems recently it has made us jaded and guarded.  I am now to the point that I would rather just get by with a few rock-solid clients than over-extend myself with clients I may never get paid from.  A couple of years ago it was no big deal waiting an extra 30 days or writing off an order here or there.  There was more volume and the bottom line was still pretty good.  Now too many clients have been taking advantage of that "extra 30 days" or simply not paying until they are damn good and ready, if at all, and it is getting to be a pretty good-sized piece of the pie!  The mortgage company, utilities, credit card companies, etc.,  wont give me an extra 30 days without charging me a bunch of fees.  My bank wont let me write bad checks just because I say I will pay them back in 30 days.  Yet we are expected to continually front our time and money with little or no guarantee that we will ever get paid, while constantly being pressured to lower (or at least not raise) our fees.

So if Kevin, or anyone else,  wants to question a company about it's payment policies, etc., I will stand with them and wait for an answer.  Any good company should have no problem coming on this message board and explaining themselves, in full, for the whole community to see.  After all, WE are the ones that stand to lose out.  WE are the ones who put money out of our pockets first.  WE are the ones financing these companies.  WE are entitled to answers! 

 

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Re: Eclipse payments - Robert Franco/OH
3/7/2007 12:41:39 PM (2996 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Patrick Tarr/NE
3/7/2007 2:28:52 PM (2998 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Robert Franco/OH
3/7/2007 3:26:42 PM (2875 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/7/2007 2:08:12 PM (3007 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Patrick Tarr/NE
3/7/2007 3:47:43 PM (2911 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Deborah Manion/VA
3/4/2007 5:09:44 PM (3074 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 8:33:44 PM (2967 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - J Nisonger/CA
3/9/2007 9:20:39 PM (4670 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - george Hubka/MI
3/26/2007 5:48:03 PM (2866 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - J Nisonger/CA
3/26/2007 6:20:00 PM (2817 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Sandra Morton/KS
3/5/2007 9:15:07 AM (3127 views)

E-mail mistakes you don't want to make. - Ethics/OH
3/1/2007 4:42:02 PM (3460 views)
Re: E-mail mistakes you don't want to make. - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 2:47:45 PM (2851 views)

Texas AG abatement - Robert Franco/OH
3/1/2007 4:40:40 PM (2327 views)
Re: Texas AG abatement - Kelli Gorman/TX
3/2/2007 11:41:56 AM (2751 views)

Legislative CALL TO ACTION re Attorney General opinion on public records - David Bloys/TX
2/28/2007 1:21:12 AM (2869 views)

non payers - Hannah McGinnis/IN
2/27/2007 10:51:54 PM (2409 views)
Re: non payers - Jay Duncan/MO
2/27/2007 11:44:03 PM (4893 views)
Re: non payers - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/28/2007 6:36:06 AM (3113 views)




Texas Atty Gen, Greg Abbott - Jan Forster/NC
2/27/2007 7:42:49 PM (1839 views)

Resource/Clear Tract - Dorothy Payne/NY
2/27/2007 5:53:30 PM (2373 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/28/2007 5:40:18 AM (2909 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Jessica Talley/NJ
3/5/2007 7:18:25 AM (2850 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Dorothy Payne/NY
3/6/2007 9:25:35 PM (2628 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - george Hubka/MI
3/7/2007 7:24:30 PM (2653 views)

Eclipse Title - Hannah McGinnis/IN
2/27/2007 2:17:04 PM (2286 views)
Re: Eclipse Title - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 4:23:53 PM (2824 views)

Patriot Title LLC - Joseph Hess/PA
2/27/2007 11:31:03 AM (2052 views)

Expert Analyzes Impact of Texas AG's Opinion - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2007 12:41:37 AM (2916 views)

No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/26/2007 11:24:34 PM (2380 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Terri Langert/CA
2/27/2007 1:16:52 PM (2926 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/28/2007 2:48:11 AM (2793 views)

Pro Bono Notary service - Jim Lissemore/NJ
2/24/2007 5:21:01 PM (2351 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - george Hubka/MI
2/26/2007 8:58:42 PM (2778 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - Loretta Reed/MD
2/27/2007 10:56:09 AM (2894 views)

Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:03:35 AM (3203 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Jan Forster/NC
2/24/2007 9:40:14 AM (3148 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:51:31 AM (3066 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 10:12:36 AM (5040 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/25/2007 12:30:58 PM (3045 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2007 2:27:50 PM (3061 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/26/2007 12:29:25 PM (3285 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 12:14:41 AM (2962 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2007 1:00:00 AM (4960 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/27/2007 3:51:05 PM (3059 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 6:22:57 PM (2895 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 7:17:09 PM (3031 views)
Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Jan Forster/NC
2/27/2007 7:40:55 PM (2969 views)
Re: Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 9:56:21 PM (2948 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 10:35:41 PM (2896 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/28/2007 11:20:48 AM (2948 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/28/2007 9:37:48 PM (3007 views)

Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/23/2007 11:46:30 PM (2389 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/24/2007 10:47:53 AM (2862 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Leigh Rampey/SC
2/26/2007 4:21:53 AM (2900 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/26/2007 8:37:40 AM (3124 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 7:58:09 AM (2985 views)

Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Gena Taylor/VA
2/23/2007 6:04:17 PM (2362 views)
Re: ..... AFX - Dave Pell/GA
2/23/2007 7:47:01 PM (3037 views)
Re: ..... AFX - Russ Frye/GA
2/26/2007 10:00:50 PM (2774 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Wendi See/SC
2/25/2007 12:19:43 PM (2943 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/26/2007 7:37:45 AM (2925 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Kristi Lee/NE
2/26/2007 9:34:34 AM (2823 views)


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