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No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/26/2007 11:24:34 PM (2355 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Terri Langert/CA
2/27/2007 1:16:52 PM (2815 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/28/2007 2:48:11 AM (2689 views)

Pro Bono Notary service - Jim Lissemore/NJ
2/24/2007 5:21:01 PM (2327 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - george Hubka/MI
2/26/2007 8:58:42 PM (2670 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - Loretta Reed/MD
2/27/2007 10:56:09 AM (2788 views)

Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:03:35 AM (3174 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Jan Forster/NC
2/24/2007 9:40:14 AM (3042 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:51:31 AM (2962 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 10:12:36 AM (4935 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/25/2007 12:30:58 PM (2952 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2007 2:27:50 PM (2963 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/26/2007 12:29:25 PM (3183 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 12:14:41 AM (2855 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2007 1:00:00 AM (4846 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/27/2007 3:51:05 PM (2955 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 6:22:57 PM (2795 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 7:17:09 PM (2924 views)
Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Jan Forster/NC
2/27/2007 7:40:55 PM (2864 views)
Re: Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 9:56:21 PM (2848 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 10:35:41 PM (2787 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/28/2007 11:20:48 AM (2860 views)

To answer your questions, in my lay opinion:

(1) In your review of the AG opinion does it specifically state records on the Internet or records in general  or both?  Section 552.147 restricts access to the SSNs in the clerk's records that are subject to the Public Information Act.  Presumably that would mean both on-line and in the courthouse.  The AG opinion specifically addresses the issue of on-line records by saying that SSNs of living persons must be redacted before making the information available on the Internet.  However, more generally, the opinion states that the PIA limits the voluntary disclosure of information
to the public.

(2)  In terms of protecting the public - what's your opinion re:  availability of documents if I travel to the courthouse?  Information at the courthouse level is also protected and there does need to be some control under the current law as interpreted by the attorney general.  After reading his opinion, I agree with his conclusions.  He went through all of the proper steps in analyzing the law and his application is sound.

However, I think indirectly he mentions that the purpose of the legislation is to prevent the "uncontrolled release of SSNs to a member of the public."  I believe that by restricting access to the county level, there IS some control.  Those who visit the courthouse in person are seen by the clerks, as well as other responsible title professionals, who are more apt to notice someone searching for SSNs, or otherwise gathering information in an unethical manner.  There is some accountability that is inherent in appearing in person.

The concern of the clerk's is certainly warranted.  I think that there would be potential for them to be held responsible, under this legislation, if someone were to appear in person and leave the office with SSNs gathered from the public records.  But, I think that the steps they have taken are over-kill. If I were a county clerk, I would begin by having all of those who require access to the public records sign-in.  I would also look into the possibility of having them sign a agreement that they would not gather any SSNs, or otherwise do anything that would subject the office to penalties under Section 552.147, and an indemnity if they do.  Furthermore, I would not allow them to make any copies, rather, the clerks should make any necessary copies taking careful steps to redact any SSNs before the copies are made. 

This is not a perfect solution, but it does help provide some protection for the clerks and nobody could argue that they didn't take reasonable precautions against the "uncontrolled release of SSNs."  I'm not sure if there is any element of "intent," or some specific "standard of care," required in the legislation, but perhaps that would be the best way to resolve the problems.  No law, other than one that prevents all access, can completely prevent the "unintentional" disclosure of an SSN; even if every document is reviewed, someone is going to miss one sooner or later.  Taking reasonable precautions at the courthouse would enable business to continue as normal, while the mass publication on the Internet would certainly be reckless. 

Finally, I would just like to mention that I am awful sorry to hear about the problems this has created in some of the Texas counties.  I still think that Texas is moving in the right direction, but obviously, the very literal reading of the opinion has been taken to extremes.  I hope that the legislators can address the problem without making Section 552.147 meaningless for the millions of citizens it is designed to protect.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/28/2007 9:37:48 PM (2919 views)

Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/23/2007 11:46:30 PM (2365 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/24/2007 10:47:53 AM (2770 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Leigh Rampey/SC
2/26/2007 4:21:53 AM (2809 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/26/2007 8:37:40 AM (3028 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 7:58:09 AM (2894 views)

Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Gena Taylor/VA
2/23/2007 6:04:17 PM (2335 views)
Re: ..... AFX - Dave Pell/GA
2/23/2007 7:47:01 PM (2936 views)
Re: ..... AFX - Russ Frye/GA
2/26/2007 10:00:50 PM (2674 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Wendi See/SC
2/25/2007 12:19:43 PM (2852 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/26/2007 7:37:45 AM (2824 views)
Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Kristi Lee/NE
2/26/2007 9:34:34 AM (2724 views)




Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Dave Ellis/WI
2/23/2007 12:04:28 PM (2274 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Stephen Williams/MO
2/23/2007 2:02:42 PM (2949 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Julie Jasiunas/WI
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Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/24/2007 10:44:09 AM (2780 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - Sherry Sapier/FL
2/26/2007 12:18:29 PM (2720 views)
Re: Anyone familar with Title Search USA - george Hubka/MI
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Frux - Gena Taylor/VA
2/22/2007 6:51:43 PM (2355 views)
Re: Frux - Jay Duncan/MO
2/22/2007 8:04:41 PM (2834 views)
Re: Frux - Gena Taylor/VA
2/23/2007 5:58:35 PM (2775 views)
Re: Frux - Sophia Varga/NY
2/26/2007 3:37:04 PM (2702 views)

Great Article! - Ethics/OH
2/21/2007 3:14:43 PM (2983 views)

Update - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/21/2007 7:38:44 AM (1812 views)

Does Existing Ohio Law Prohibit AfBAs in Ohio? - Henry Hessler/OH
2/20/2007 5:04:41 PM (2689 views)
Re: Does Existing Ohio Law Prohibit AfBAs in Ohio? - Patrick Scott/IL
2/21/2007 9:44:42 AM (2724 views)
Re: Does Existing Ohio Law Prohibit AfBAs in Ohio? - John Povejsil/MN
2/26/2007 10:18:22 AM (2584 views)

Title Standards - Robert Franco/OH
2/20/2007 11:33:57 AM (1860 views)

Vanguard Documents? - C Y/NY
2/20/2007 8:14:08 AM (1791 views)

Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Nathan Miller/KY
2/19/2007 6:26:09 PM (2202 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Dorothy Payne/NY
2/19/2007 7:46:31 PM (2801 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Nathan Miller/KY
2/19/2007 7:56:34 PM (2757 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Dorothy Payne/NY
2/20/2007 4:58:27 PM (2696 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Barbara Bennett/IN
2/22/2007 2:52:10 PM (2659 views)
Re: Inzura- payment issues anyone? - Dorothy Payne/NY
3/7/2007 9:57:49 PM (2428 views)

Tri-County Title - who are they? - Nathan Miller/KY
2/19/2007 5:50:47 PM (1795 views)

Are you losing out on new clients? - Robert Franco/OH
2/19/2007 3:41:02 PM (2397 views)
Re: Are you losing out on new clients? - Robert Franco/OH
2/21/2007 2:39:11 PM (2643 views)


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