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Eclipse payments - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 8:20:00 AM (2805 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Eclipse payments - Robb Grandon/OH
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Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/2/2007 9:55:37 AM (3229 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 2:42:07 PM (3175 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 2:10:19 PM (3174 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/2/2007 4:48:06 PM (3160 views)
Re: Eclipse payments- Bank loan???? - george Hubka/MI
3/2/2007 8:34:04 PM (3173 views)
Re: Eclipse payments- Bank loan???? - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/3/2007 5:00:47 PM (3215 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/3/2007 4:45:49 PM (3113 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/3/2007 6:07:21 PM (3146 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/3/2007 11:22:19 PM (3125 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/4/2007 3:35:26 AM (3059 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - george Hubka/MI
3/4/2007 9:16:28 AM (3095 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 2:32:54 PM (3115 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 2:21:26 PM (2984 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/4/2007 2:32:32 PM (3080 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 2:33:38 PM (3113 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 8:30:48 PM (3175 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Kevin Ahern/CT
3/5/2007 11:16:26 AM (3342 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/5/2007 11:26:10 AM (3328 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Patrick Tarr/NE
3/7/2007 12:36:24 PM (2978 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Robert Franco/OH
3/7/2007 12:41:39 PM (2998 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Patrick Tarr/NE
3/7/2007 2:28:52 PM (3001 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Robert Franco/OH
3/7/2007 3:26:42 PM (2877 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/7/2007 2:08:12 PM (3010 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Patrick Tarr/NE
3/7/2007 3:47:43 PM (2914 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Deborah Manion/VA
3/4/2007 5:09:44 PM (3075 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Scott Perry/PA
3/4/2007 8:33:44 PM (2968 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - J Nisonger/CA
3/9/2007 9:20:39 PM (4672 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - george Hubka/MI
3/26/2007 5:48:03 PM (2869 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - J Nisonger/CA
3/26/2007 6:20:00 PM (2819 views)
Re: Eclipse payments - Sandra Morton/KS
3/5/2007 9:15:07 AM (3130 views)

E-mail mistakes you don't want to make. - Ethics/OH
3/1/2007 4:42:02 PM (3460 views)
Re: E-mail mistakes you don't want to make. - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 2:47:45 PM (2853 views)

Texas AG abatement - Robert Franco/OH
3/1/2007 4:40:40 PM (2327 views)
Re: Texas AG abatement - Kelli Gorman/TX
3/2/2007 11:41:56 AM (2753 views)

Legislative CALL TO ACTION re Attorney General opinion on public records - David Bloys/TX
2/28/2007 1:21:12 AM (2869 views)

non payers - Hannah McGinnis/IN
2/27/2007 10:51:54 PM (2409 views)
Re: non payers - Jay Duncan/MO
2/27/2007 11:44:03 PM (4894 views)
Re: non payers - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/28/2007 6:36:06 AM (3115 views)




Texas Atty Gen, Greg Abbott - Jan Forster/NC
2/27/2007 7:42:49 PM (1840 views)

Resource/Clear Tract - Dorothy Payne/NY
2/27/2007 5:53:30 PM (2373 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/28/2007 5:40:18 AM (2911 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Jessica Talley/NJ
3/5/2007 7:18:25 AM (2851 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - Dorothy Payne/NY
3/6/2007 9:25:35 PM (2630 views)
Re: Resource/Clear Tract - george Hubka/MI
3/7/2007 7:24:30 PM (2654 views)

Eclipse Title - Hannah McGinnis/IN
2/27/2007 2:17:04 PM (2286 views)
Re: Eclipse Title - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 4:23:53 PM (2826 views)

Patriot Title LLC - Joseph Hess/PA
2/27/2007 11:31:03 AM (2052 views)

Expert Analyzes Impact of Texas AG's Opinion - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2007 12:41:37 AM (2916 views)

No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/26/2007 11:24:34 PM (2380 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Terri Langert/CA
2/27/2007 1:16:52 PM (2928 views)
Re: No Pay - Crystal Abstractors - Glenda Hodge/TN
2/28/2007 2:48:11 AM (2794 views)

Pro Bono Notary service - Jim Lissemore/NJ
2/24/2007 5:21:01 PM (2351 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - george Hubka/MI
2/26/2007 8:58:42 PM (2779 views)
Re: Pro Bono Notary service - Loretta Reed/MD
2/27/2007 10:56:09 AM (2895 views)

Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:03:35 AM (3204 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Jan Forster/NC
2/24/2007 9:40:14 AM (3150 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 9:51:31 AM (3067 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/24/2007 10:12:36 AM (5042 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Lisa Ramsey/TX
2/25/2007 12:30:58 PM (3047 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/25/2007 2:27:50 PM (3063 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/26/2007 12:29:25 PM (3285 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 12:14:41 AM (2964 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - David Bloys/TX
2/27/2007 1:00:00 AM (4961 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/27/2007 3:51:05 PM (3060 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 6:22:57 PM (2895 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 7:17:09 PM (3033 views)
Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Jan Forster/NC
2/27/2007 7:40:55 PM (2971 views)
Re: Somebody call a waaaaambulance. - Scott Perry/PA
2/27/2007 9:56:21 PM (2949 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/27/2007 10:35:41 PM (2896 views)
Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Robert Franco/OH
2/28/2007 11:20:48 AM (2948 views)

To answer your questions, in my lay opinion:

(1) In your review of the AG opinion does it specifically state records on the Internet or records in general  or both?  Section 552.147 restricts access to the SSNs in the clerk's records that are subject to the Public Information Act.  Presumably that would mean both on-line and in the courthouse.  The AG opinion specifically addresses the issue of on-line records by saying that SSNs of living persons must be redacted before making the information available on the Internet.  However, more generally, the opinion states that the PIA limits the voluntary disclosure of information
to the public.

(2)  In terms of protecting the public - what's your opinion re:  availability of documents if I travel to the courthouse?  Information at the courthouse level is also protected and there does need to be some control under the current law as interpreted by the attorney general.  After reading his opinion, I agree with his conclusions.  He went through all of the proper steps in analyzing the law and his application is sound.

However, I think indirectly he mentions that the purpose of the legislation is to prevent the "uncontrolled release of SSNs to a member of the public."  I believe that by restricting access to the county level, there IS some control.  Those who visit the courthouse in person are seen by the clerks, as well as other responsible title professionals, who are more apt to notice someone searching for SSNs, or otherwise gathering information in an unethical manner.  There is some accountability that is inherent in appearing in person.

The concern of the clerk's is certainly warranted.  I think that there would be potential for them to be held responsible, under this legislation, if someone were to appear in person and leave the office with SSNs gathered from the public records.  But, I think that the steps they have taken are over-kill. If I were a county clerk, I would begin by having all of those who require access to the public records sign-in.  I would also look into the possibility of having them sign a agreement that they would not gather any SSNs, or otherwise do anything that would subject the office to penalties under Section 552.147, and an indemnity if they do.  Furthermore, I would not allow them to make any copies, rather, the clerks should make any necessary copies taking careful steps to redact any SSNs before the copies are made. 

This is not a perfect solution, but it does help provide some protection for the clerks and nobody could argue that they didn't take reasonable precautions against the "uncontrolled release of SSNs."  I'm not sure if there is any element of "intent," or some specific "standard of care," required in the legislation, but perhaps that would be the best way to resolve the problems.  No law, other than one that prevents all access, can completely prevent the "unintentional" disclosure of an SSN; even if every document is reviewed, someone is going to miss one sooner or later.  Taking reasonable precautions at the courthouse would enable business to continue as normal, while the mass publication on the Internet would certainly be reckless. 

Finally, I would just like to mention that I am awful sorry to hear about the problems this has created in some of the Texas counties.  I still think that Texas is moving in the right direction, but obviously, the very literal reading of the opinion has been taken to extremes.  I hope that the legislators can address the problem without making Section 552.147 meaningless for the millions of citizens it is designed to protect.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Texas AG Says County Websites Could Land Officials In Jail - Kelli Gorman/TX
2/28/2007 9:37:48 PM (3007 views)

Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/23/2007 11:46:30 PM (2389 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Philip Cotugno/MA
2/24/2007 10:47:53 AM (2863 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Leigh Rampey/SC
2/26/2007 4:21:53 AM (2901 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Teresa Melvin/VA
2/26/2007 8:37:40 AM (3124 views)
Re: Absolute and Contemporary - Wayne Schutt II/NY
3/2/2007 7:58:09 AM (2985 views)

Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Gena Taylor/VA
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Re: Mortgage Lenders and AFX - Jessica Talley/NJ
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