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Ohio Title Company Bankrupt - Robert Franco/OH
8/27/2007 12:45:34 PM (2263 views)

Title Jobs Slashed in Pittsburgh - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Re: Title Jobs Slashed in Pittsburgh - Rob  Robinson/PA
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Re: Title Jobs Slashed in Pittsburgh - Victoria Ledford/TN
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Re: Title Jobs Slashed in Pittsburgh - Robert Franco/OH
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Great Vacation! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/26/2007 10:28:41 PM (1923 views)

Please Pray - Scott Perry/PA
8/26/2007 8:08:44 PM (2627 views)
Amen and get better soon. - Jay Duncan/MO
8/26/2007 9:00:27 PM (4007 views)
Re: Please Pray - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Please Pray - Patrick Scott/IL
8/27/2007 9:56:23 AM (3762 views)
Re: Please Pray - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Please Pray - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/27/2007 11:24:20 AM (3884 views)
Re: Please Pray - Anita Backlund/MN
8/27/2007 11:40:59 AM (3708 views)
Re: Please Pray - Sandra Morton/KS
8/27/2007 12:28:10 PM (3773 views)
Attorney in my thoughts and prayers - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
8/27/2007 1:05:04 PM (3739 views)
Re: Please Pray - Joseph Weaver/VA
8/27/2007 2:29:41 PM (3720 views)
Re: Please Pray - Robert Franco/OH
8/27/2007 3:14:32 PM (3712 views)
Re: Please Pray - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Please Pray - Lori Cassidy/CT
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Re: Please Pray - ELAINA MAUSER/DE
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What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/24/2007 11:06:47 PM (3946 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:36:35 AM (3760 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/29/2007 1:26:58 PM (3582 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 9:53:18 AM (3714 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 10:46:20 AM (3741 views)

 

Katrina,

I have read your posts on this thread. It would appear that your argument fails to focus on the big picture. There are a number of players in the closing process...buyer...seller...mortgagee...title insurer...appraiser...abstractor. Each has a vital purpose in the closing process.


While the mortgagee may rely on the appraisal to determine issues such as the debt to equity ratio and will undoubtedly hedge its bet with title insurance...there is a difference between the appraised value of the property and marketable title. If the title to the property is heavily encumbered the appraisal is meaningless. The appraisal represents a best case scenario. The question remains as to whether there is sufficient equity in the property to back up the appraisal. The under appreciated roll that the abstractor plays determines whether the marketable title value and the appraisal coincide.

I had an amusing situation two weeks ago when a title insurance company called me about a closing I had performed a year and a half earlier. I did not do the title search on the property. Apparently the mortgagor applied for a reverse mortgage on the property and subsequently died. The mortgagee wanted title to the mortgaged property only to find that the mortgagor never held title to the property. He held only a life use of the property. Apparently someone screwed up. Either the abstractor failed to verify the chain of title...seems unlikely that an abstractor would miss something that basic...or the title insurance agent failed to pick up on the title when he issued the title insurance commitment...or the lender screwed up the closing docs. As usual the lender is protected seven ways to Sunday through the title insurance, and the title insurer is on the hook for the face value of the policy. The title insurer did not seem to think that the abstractor was at fault, but rather one of the other players.

I would also take issue with your above statement that the lender always has a first place priority. It depends on what lien or mortgage is being foreclosed. When one acquires a property through foreclosure sale or tax lien certificates...he is insane if he fails to perform a title search to discover the state of title. If the foreclosure is of a second mortgage...the buyer takes subject to the first mortgage which has priority. In Connecticut real estate taxes have an automatic priority over mortgages and liens, and would have to be paid notwithstanding the foreclosing financial institution's priority. There are also the issues of inchoate liens such as mechanic's liens which may not be recorded until 90 days (Connecticut rule) following completion of work, and thus may not show up on the record in a timely manner. The unrecorded mechanic's lien may predate the recording of the foreclosing entities lien/mortgage, but if recorded in a timely manner may predate and relate back to a date earlier than the priority of the foreclosing entity.

In Connecticut the Plaintiff in a foreclosure action is required to perform a title search to determine the encumbrances on the property. Those encumbrances that predate the priority of of the foreclosing entity are simply identified in the complaint as prior encumbrances. Those that are subsequent to the Plaintiff's priority are identified in the complaint as junior encumbrances, and are named as defendants in the foreclosure action.

In summary, the objective is to have the appraised value and marketable title value coincide for a property. If they do not someone...buyer...mortgagee or title insurer is going to be rather upset with the outcome. The seller could also be sued for breach of warranty. Without the abstractor's work marketable title can not be determined.

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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 1:34:50 PM (5059 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:48:49 PM (3789 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/30/2007 2:15:25 PM (3537 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 2:17:28 PM (3643 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/30/2007 11:33:00 AM (3706 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
8/30/2007 9:43:50 PM (3675 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - kristin sandman/IN
8/30/2007 10:49:32 PM (3592 views)
Should say "And Wendi" not Any Wendi, sorry n/m - Loretta Reed/MD
8/31/2007 9:37:07 AM (3586 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - george Hubka/MI
9/1/2007 9:49:36 PM (3487 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Norean /GA
9/1/2007 10:51:18 AM (3534 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/4/2007 12:47:50 PM (3589 views)




E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/24/2007 3:32:41 PM (2797 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Loretta Reed/MD
8/24/2007 4:38:49 PM (3908 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:20:56 AM (3791 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/28/2007 7:04:38 PM (3709 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:18:24 AM (3701 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:33:32 PM (3673 views)

GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/24/2007 1:38:41 PM (2720 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:30:10 AM (3810 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/27/2007 11:57:03 AM (3841 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - clay doss/MO
8/28/2007 12:30:09 AM (3768 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:12:34 PM (3776 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:47:31 PM (3741 views)

Title Stream paid - Dan Zook/NY
8/24/2007 9:09:46 AM (2182 views)

Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jay Duncan/MO
8/22/2007 5:57:51 PM (4036 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - George Booth/OH
8/23/2007 9:05:12 AM (3678 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/27/2007 11:17:46 AM (3710 views)

India warning - NoName/CA
8/22/2007 3:34:40 PM (2723 views)
Re: India warning - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/24/2007 3:51:56 AM (3893 views)

Home Owners Associations. - Nikky/FL
8/22/2007 12:42:35 PM (2500 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:07:41 PM (3825 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Patrick Scott/IL
8/22/2007 1:35:23 PM (4167 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/22/2007 5:59:42 PM (3985 views)

Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Marc Cohen/MI
8/21/2007 4:59:19 PM (2689 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:21:47 AM (4073 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Alix Ott/MI
8/23/2007 6:44:28 PM (3961 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Lori Cassidy/CT
8/27/2007 8:55:23 PM (4120 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:16:34 PM (4052 views)

Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/21/2007 2:19:24 PM (2990 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Michele  Peele/NC
8/24/2007 5:17:38 PM (4145 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - ELAINA MAUSER/DE
8/27/2007 12:49:25 PM (3882 views)

Attention Floridians! - Robert Franco/OH
8/21/2007 1:28:07 PM (2554 views)
Re: Attention Floridians! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:35:37 PM (5653 views)
Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:37:30 PM (5921 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - J Nisonger/CA
8/23/2007 2:19:56 PM (3953 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2007 2:36:22 PM (3951 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/24/2007 10:42:49 AM (4071 views)

Title Stream - Rebecca Warner/MI
8/21/2007 1:10:09 PM (2694 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/21/2007 2:33:54 PM (4029 views)
Re: Title Stream - MARY ZILGE/NC
8/21/2007 5:10:46 PM (4136 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:09:57 PM (4004 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:39:06 AM (4141 views)
Re: Title Stream - Amy Tatusko/VA
8/22/2007 9:40:00 AM (5888 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 11:49:42 AM (3946 views)
Re: Title Stream - Langdon Knight/MO
8/22/2007 8:27:31 PM (4175 views)
Re: Title Stream - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:47:36 AM (3856 views)


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