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What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/24/2007 11:06:47 PM (3797 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:36:35 AM (3252 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/29/2007 1:26:58 PM (3070 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:29:12 PM (3168 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Scott Perry/PA
8/29/2007 9:29:52 PM (3187 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:25:17 PM (3183 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:41:10 PM (3183 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 9:53:18 AM (3211 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 10:46:20 AM (3183 views)

 

Katrina,

I have read your posts on this thread. It would appear that your argument fails to focus on the big picture. There are a number of players in the closing process...buyer...seller...mortgagee...title insurer...appraiser...abstractor. Each has a vital purpose in the closing process.


While the mortgagee may rely on the appraisal to determine issues such as the debt to equity ratio and will undoubtedly hedge its bet with title insurance...there is a difference between the appraised value of the property and marketable title. If the title to the property is heavily encumbered the appraisal is meaningless. The appraisal represents a best case scenario. The question remains as to whether there is sufficient equity in the property to back up the appraisal. The under appreciated roll that the abstractor plays determines whether the marketable title value and the appraisal coincide.

I had an amusing situation two weeks ago when a title insurance company called me about a closing I had performed a year and a half earlier. I did not do the title search on the property. Apparently the mortgagor applied for a reverse mortgage on the property and subsequently died. The mortgagee wanted title to the mortgaged property only to find that the mortgagor never held title to the property. He held only a life use of the property. Apparently someone screwed up. Either the abstractor failed to verify the chain of title...seems unlikely that an abstractor would miss something that basic...or the title insurance agent failed to pick up on the title when he issued the title insurance commitment...or the lender screwed up the closing docs. As usual the lender is protected seven ways to Sunday through the title insurance, and the title insurer is on the hook for the face value of the policy. The title insurer did not seem to think that the abstractor was at fault, but rather one of the other players.

I would also take issue with your above statement that the lender always has a first place priority. It depends on what lien or mortgage is being foreclosed. When one acquires a property through foreclosure sale or tax lien certificates...he is insane if he fails to perform a title search to discover the state of title. If the foreclosure is of a second mortgage...the buyer takes subject to the first mortgage which has priority. In Connecticut real estate taxes have an automatic priority over mortgages and liens, and would have to be paid notwithstanding the foreclosing financial institution's priority. There are also the issues of inchoate liens such as mechanic's liens which may not be recorded until 90 days (Connecticut rule) following completion of work, and thus may not show up on the record in a timely manner. The unrecorded mechanic's lien may predate the recording of the foreclosing entities lien/mortgage, but if recorded in a timely manner may predate and relate back to a date earlier than the priority of the foreclosing entity.

In Connecticut the Plaintiff in a foreclosure action is required to perform a title search to determine the encumbrances on the property. Those encumbrances that predate the priority of of the foreclosing entity are simply identified in the complaint as prior encumbrances. Those that are subsequent to the Plaintiff's priority are identified in the complaint as junior encumbrances, and are named as defendants in the foreclosure action.

In summary, the objective is to have the appraised value and marketable title value coincide for a property. If they do not someone...buyer...mortgagee or title insurer is going to be rather upset with the outcome. The seller could also be sued for breach of warranty. Without the abstractor's work marketable title can not be determined.

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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 1:34:50 PM (4559 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:48:49 PM (3198 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/30/2007 2:15:25 PM (3001 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 2:17:28 PM (3143 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/30/2007 11:33:00 AM (3194 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
8/30/2007 9:43:50 PM (3148 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - kristin sandman/IN
8/30/2007 10:49:32 PM (3094 views)
Should say "And Wendi" not Any Wendi, sorry n/m - Loretta Reed/MD
8/31/2007 9:37:07 AM (3076 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - george Hubka/MI
9/1/2007 9:49:36 PM (2986 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Norean /GA
9/1/2007 10:51:18 AM (3034 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/4/2007 12:47:50 PM (3076 views)

E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/24/2007 3:32:41 PM (2679 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Loretta Reed/MD
8/24/2007 4:38:49 PM (3401 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:20:56 AM (3236 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/28/2007 7:04:38 PM (3194 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:18:24 AM (3190 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:33:32 PM (3157 views)

GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/24/2007 1:38:41 PM (2563 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:30:10 AM (3285 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/27/2007 11:57:03 AM (3322 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - clay doss/MO
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Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:12:34 PM (3259 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:47:31 PM (3221 views)

Title Stream paid - Dan Zook/NY
8/24/2007 9:09:46 AM (2025 views)

Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jay Duncan/MO
8/22/2007 5:57:51 PM (3889 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - George Booth/OH
8/23/2007 9:05:12 AM (3144 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jason Sheppard/PA
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India warning - NoName/CA
8/22/2007 3:34:40 PM (2597 views)
Re: India warning - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/24/2007 3:51:56 AM (3386 views)

Home Owners Associations. - Nikky/FL
8/22/2007 12:42:35 PM (2380 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Home Owners Associations. - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: Home Owners Associations. - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
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Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Marc Cohen/MI
8/21/2007 4:59:19 PM (2570 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:21:47 AM (3560 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Alix Ott/MI
8/23/2007 6:44:28 PM (3447 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Lori Cassidy/CT
8/27/2007 8:55:23 PM (3589 views)
Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:16:34 PM (3529 views)

Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/21/2007 2:19:24 PM (2873 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Michele  Peele/NC
8/24/2007 5:17:38 PM (3582 views)
Re: Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - ELAINA MAUSER/DE
8/27/2007 12:49:25 PM (3395 views)

Attention Floridians! - Robert Franco/OH
8/21/2007 1:28:07 PM (2444 views)
Re: Attention Floridians! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:35:37 PM (5092 views)
Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:37:30 PM (5396 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - J Nisonger/CA
8/23/2007 2:19:56 PM (3425 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2007 2:36:22 PM (3446 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/24/2007 10:42:49 AM (3534 views)

Title Stream - Rebecca Warner/MI
8/21/2007 1:10:09 PM (2574 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/21/2007 2:33:54 PM (3505 views)
Re: Title Stream - MARY ZILGE/NC
8/21/2007 5:10:46 PM (3591 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:09:57 PM (3532 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:39:06 AM (3647 views)
Re: Title Stream - Amy Tatusko/VA
8/22/2007 9:40:00 AM (5364 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 11:49:42 AM (3425 views)
Re: Title Stream - Langdon Knight/MO
8/22/2007 8:27:31 PM (3626 views)
Re: Title Stream - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:47:36 AM (3366 views)

INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Jill Kissell/IA
8/20/2007 2:04:25 PM (2996 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - KS/IN
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Anita Backlund/MN
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Carol Drummet/FL
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - george Hubka/MI
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Anita Backlund/MN
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Rob  Robinson/PA
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Rob  Robinson/PA
8/27/2007 11:45:48 AM (3460 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Shannon Blatt/VA
8/27/2007 10:22:04 PM (3412 views)

Thank you SOT - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 2:00:23 PM (2498 views)
Re: and they're polite, too! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 2:27:34 PM (3398 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Thank you SOT - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Thank you SOT - Deborah Manion/VA
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Re: Thank you SOT - Scott Perry/PA
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Abstractor Training... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Abstractor Training... - Wanda Steudel/OH
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Re: Abstractor Training... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Abstractor Training... - Jean Allen/NC
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Genuine Title - Jay Duncan/MO
8/15/2007 4:47:25 PM (2752 views)
Re: Genuine Title - Loretta Reed/MD
8/15/2007 4:56:03 PM (3624 views)
Re: Genuine Title - TONY BROWN/VA
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Re: Genuine Title - Deborah Manion/VA
8/16/2007 3:27:02 PM (3498 views)
Re: Genuine Title - Loretta Reed/MD
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