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What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/24/2007 11:06:47 PM (3674 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:36:35 AM (2871 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/29/2007 1:26:58 PM (2684 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:29:12 PM (2791 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Scott Perry/PA
8/29/2007 9:29:52 PM (2787 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:25:17 PM (2804 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:41:10 PM (2792 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 9:53:18 AM (2842 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 10:46:20 AM (2808 views)

 

Katrina,

I have read your posts on this thread. It would appear that your argument fails to focus on the big picture. There are a number of players in the closing process...buyer...seller...mortgagee...title insurer...appraiser...abstractor. Each has a vital purpose in the closing process.


While the mortgagee may rely on the appraisal to determine issues such as the debt to equity ratio and will undoubtedly hedge its bet with title insurance...there is a difference between the appraised value of the property and marketable title. If the title to the property is heavily encumbered the appraisal is meaningless. The appraisal represents a best case scenario. The question remains as to whether there is sufficient equity in the property to back up the appraisal. The under appreciated roll that the abstractor plays determines whether the marketable title value and the appraisal coincide.

I had an amusing situation two weeks ago when a title insurance company called me about a closing I had performed a year and a half earlier. I did not do the title search on the property. Apparently the mortgagor applied for a reverse mortgage on the property and subsequently died. The mortgagee wanted title to the mortgaged property only to find that the mortgagor never held title to the property. He held only a life use of the property. Apparently someone screwed up. Either the abstractor failed to verify the chain of title...seems unlikely that an abstractor would miss something that basic...or the title insurance agent failed to pick up on the title when he issued the title insurance commitment...or the lender screwed up the closing docs. As usual the lender is protected seven ways to Sunday through the title insurance, and the title insurer is on the hook for the face value of the policy. The title insurer did not seem to think that the abstractor was at fault, but rather one of the other players.

I would also take issue with your above statement that the lender always has a first place priority. It depends on what lien or mortgage is being foreclosed. When one acquires a property through foreclosure sale or tax lien certificates...he is insane if he fails to perform a title search to discover the state of title. If the foreclosure is of a second mortgage...the buyer takes subject to the first mortgage which has priority. In Connecticut real estate taxes have an automatic priority over mortgages and liens, and would have to be paid notwithstanding the foreclosing financial institution's priority. There are also the issues of inchoate liens such as mechanic's liens which may not be recorded until 90 days (Connecticut rule) following completion of work, and thus may not show up on the record in a timely manner. The unrecorded mechanic's lien may predate the recording of the foreclosing entities lien/mortgage, but if recorded in a timely manner may predate and relate back to a date earlier than the priority of the foreclosing entity.

In Connecticut the Plaintiff in a foreclosure action is required to perform a title search to determine the encumbrances on the property. Those encumbrances that predate the priority of of the foreclosing entity are simply identified in the complaint as prior encumbrances. Those that are subsequent to the Plaintiff's priority are identified in the complaint as junior encumbrances, and are named as defendants in the foreclosure action.

In summary, the objective is to have the appraised value and marketable title value coincide for a property. If they do not someone...buyer...mortgagee or title insurer is going to be rather upset with the outcome. The seller could also be sued for breach of warranty. Without the abstractor's work marketable title can not be determined.

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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 1:34:50 PM (4167 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:48:49 PM (2827 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/30/2007 2:15:25 PM (2632 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 2:17:28 PM (2759 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/30/2007 11:33:00 AM (2838 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
8/30/2007 9:43:50 PM (2762 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - kristin sandman/IN
8/30/2007 10:49:32 PM (2707 views)
Should say "And Wendi" not Any Wendi, sorry n/m - Loretta Reed/MD
8/31/2007 9:37:07 AM (2709 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - george Hubka/MI
9/1/2007 9:49:36 PM (2609 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Norean /GA
9/1/2007 10:51:18 AM (2680 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/4/2007 12:47:50 PM (2676 views)

E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/24/2007 3:32:41 PM (2559 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Loretta Reed/MD
8/24/2007 4:38:49 PM (3039 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:20:56 AM (2853 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/28/2007 7:04:38 PM (2837 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:18:24 AM (2822 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:33:32 PM (2782 views)

GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/24/2007 1:38:41 PM (2456 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:30:10 AM (2927 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/27/2007 11:57:03 AM (2967 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - clay doss/MO
8/28/2007 12:30:09 AM (2877 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:12:34 PM (2917 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:47:31 PM (2860 views)

Title Stream paid - Dan Zook/NY
8/24/2007 9:09:46 AM (1877 views)

Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jay Duncan/MO
8/22/2007 5:57:51 PM (3670 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - George Booth/OH
8/23/2007 9:05:12 AM (2757 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jason Sheppard/PA
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India warning - NoName/CA
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Re: India warning - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
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Home Owners Associations. - Nikky/FL
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Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Marc Cohen/MI
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Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Alix Ott/MI
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Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - Lori Cassidy/CT
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Re: Pacific Corporate & Title Services - george Hubka/MI
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Northwest Title & Escrow/ pmt - Jennifer  Porter/FL
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Attention Floridians! - Robert Franco/OH
8/21/2007 1:28:07 PM (2325 views)
Re: Attention Floridians! - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:35:37 PM (4712 views)
Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/23/2007 1:37:30 PM (4994 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - J Nisonger/CA
8/23/2007 2:19:56 PM (3072 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Robert Franco/OH
8/23/2007 2:36:22 PM (3081 views)
Re: Can't spell 8th??? - Kurt deVries/FL
8/24/2007 10:42:49 AM (3167 views)

Title Stream - Rebecca Warner/MI
8/21/2007 1:10:09 PM (2454 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/21/2007 2:33:54 PM (3122 views)
Re: Title Stream - MARY ZILGE/NC
8/21/2007 5:10:46 PM (3259 views)
Re: Title Stream - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:09:57 PM (3155 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 8:39:06 AM (3267 views)
Re: Title Stream - Amy Tatusko/VA
8/22/2007 9:40:00 AM (4976 views)
Re: Title Stream - Dan Zook/NY
8/22/2007 11:49:42 AM (3061 views)
Re: Title Stream - Langdon Knight/MO
8/22/2007 8:27:31 PM (3228 views)
Re: Title Stream - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:47:36 AM (2969 views)

INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Jill Kissell/IA
8/20/2007 2:04:25 PM (2885 views)
Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - KS/IN
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Carol Drummet/FL
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - george Hubka/MI
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Anita Backlund/MN
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Rob  Robinson/PA
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Rob  Robinson/PA
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Re: INDUSTRY PARTNERS TITLE - SARATOGA SPRINGS, NY - Shannon Blatt/VA
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Thank you SOT - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 2:00:23 PM (2397 views)
Re: and they're polite, too! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/17/2007 2:27:34 PM (3062 views)
Re: Thank you SOT - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Thank you SOT - Deborah Manion/VA
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Abstractor Training... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Abstractor Training... - Wanda Steudel/OH
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Genuine Title - Jay Duncan/MO
8/15/2007 4:47:25 PM (2645 views)
Re: Genuine Title - Loretta Reed/MD
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