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Crying in my rootbeer - NoName/CA
8/30/2007 12:08:30 AM (2390 views)
Re: Crying in my rootbeer - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Crying in my rootbeer - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Crying in my rootbeer - marilyn snyder/FL
8/30/2007 1:23:36 PM (2591 views)
Re: Crying in my rootbeer - george Hubka/MI
9/1/2007 12:00:06 AM (2493 views)
Re: Crying in my rootbeer - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Crying in my rootbeer - WAYNE QUICK/NC
9/4/2007 8:57:59 PM (2381 views)
Re: Crying in my rootbeer - Jon Lax/RI
9/4/2007 9:43:46 PM (2494 views)

US TITLE CORP, KNOXVILLE - Wendi See/SC
8/29/2007 5:43:34 PM (2468 views)
Re: US TITLE CORP, KNOXVILLE - Vikki Moffitt/GA
8/30/2007 7:00:25 PM (2583 views)
Re: US TITLE CORP, KNOXVILLE - Victoria Ledford/TN
9/4/2007 10:40:15 AM (2443 views)

Deadbeats - Cheryl O'Brien/VA
8/27/2007 7:50:58 PM (2701 views)
Re: Deadbeats - Cheryl O'Brien/VA
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Re: Deadbeats - Jessica Talley/NJ
8/27/2007 9:25:57 PM (2840 views)
Re: Deadbeats - Dan Zook/NY
8/29/2007 9:15:52 AM (2811 views)
Re: Deadbeats - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Deadbeats - Things Fdup/CA
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Re: Deadbeats - Laurie Puckett/TN
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Re: Deadbeats - Greg/VA
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Re: Deadbeats - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Deadbeats - SandyB/NY
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Re: Deadbeats - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: Deadbeats - Joseph Weaver/VA
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How Crazy is Rhode Island? - Jacqueline Costa/RI
8/27/2007 5:10:55 PM (2414 views)
Re: How Crazy is Rhode Island? - Rob  Robinson/PA
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Ohio Title Company Bankrupt - Robert Franco/OH
8/27/2007 12:45:34 PM (2064 views)


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Title Jobs Slashed in Pittsburgh - Jason Sheppard/PA
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Re: Title Jobs Slashed in Pittsburgh - Rob  Robinson/PA
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Re: Title Jobs Slashed in Pittsburgh - Victoria Ledford/TN
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Re: Title Jobs Slashed in Pittsburgh - Robert Franco/OH
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Great Vacation! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/26/2007 10:28:41 PM (1695 views)

Please Pray - Scott Perry/PA
8/26/2007 8:08:44 PM (2370 views)
Amen and get better soon. - Jay Duncan/MO
8/26/2007 9:00:27 PM (3012 views)
Re: Please Pray - Deborah Manion/VA
8/26/2007 10:19:00 PM (2880 views)
Re: Please Pray - Patrick Scott/IL
8/27/2007 9:56:23 AM (2776 views)
Re: Please Pray - Kurt deVries/FL
8/27/2007 10:04:20 AM (2806 views)
Re: Please Pray - J.T. Shoemaker/NY
8/27/2007 11:24:20 AM (2852 views)
Re: Please Pray - Anita Backlund/MN
8/27/2007 11:40:59 AM (2716 views)
Re: Please Pray - Sandra Morton/KS
8/27/2007 12:28:10 PM (2776 views)
Attorney in my thoughts and prayers - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
8/27/2007 1:05:04 PM (2786 views)
Re: Please Pray - Joseph Weaver/VA
8/27/2007 2:29:41 PM (2758 views)
Re: Please Pray - Robert Franco/OH
8/27/2007 3:14:32 PM (2764 views)
Re: Please Pray - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Please Pray - Lori Cassidy/CT
8/27/2007 9:12:03 PM (2777 views)
Re: Please Pray - ELAINA MAUSER/DE
8/28/2007 10:12:05 AM (2866 views)

What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Jay Duncan/MO
8/24/2007 11:06:47 PM (3614 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:36:35 AM (2761 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/29/2007 1:26:58 PM (2590 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:29:12 PM (2684 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Scott Perry/PA
8/29/2007 9:29:52 PM (2679 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:25:17 PM (2709 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 8:41:10 PM (2686 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 9:53:18 AM (2727 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 10:46:20 AM (2703 views)

 

Katrina,

I have read your posts on this thread. It would appear that your argument fails to focus on the big picture. There are a number of players in the closing process...buyer...seller...mortgagee...title insurer...appraiser...abstractor. Each has a vital purpose in the closing process.


While the mortgagee may rely on the appraisal to determine issues such as the debt to equity ratio and will undoubtedly hedge its bet with title insurance...there is a difference between the appraised value of the property and marketable title. If the title to the property is heavily encumbered the appraisal is meaningless. The appraisal represents a best case scenario. The question remains as to whether there is sufficient equity in the property to back up the appraisal. The under appreciated roll that the abstractor plays determines whether the marketable title value and the appraisal coincide.

I had an amusing situation two weeks ago when a title insurance company called me about a closing I had performed a year and a half earlier. I did not do the title search on the property. Apparently the mortgagor applied for a reverse mortgage on the property and subsequently died. The mortgagee wanted title to the mortgaged property only to find that the mortgagor never held title to the property. He held only a life use of the property. Apparently someone screwed up. Either the abstractor failed to verify the chain of title...seems unlikely that an abstractor would miss something that basic...or the title insurance agent failed to pick up on the title when he issued the title insurance commitment...or the lender screwed up the closing docs. As usual the lender is protected seven ways to Sunday through the title insurance, and the title insurer is on the hook for the face value of the policy. The title insurer did not seem to think that the abstractor was at fault, but rather one of the other players.

I would also take issue with your above statement that the lender always has a first place priority. It depends on what lien or mortgage is being foreclosed. When one acquires a property through foreclosure sale or tax lien certificates...he is insane if he fails to perform a title search to discover the state of title. If the foreclosure is of a second mortgage...the buyer takes subject to the first mortgage which has priority. In Connecticut real estate taxes have an automatic priority over mortgages and liens, and would have to be paid notwithstanding the foreclosing financial institution's priority. There are also the issues of inchoate liens such as mechanic's liens which may not be recorded until 90 days (Connecticut rule) following completion of work, and thus may not show up on the record in a timely manner. The unrecorded mechanic's lien may predate the recording of the foreclosing entities lien/mortgage, but if recorded in a timely manner may predate and relate back to a date earlier than the priority of the foreclosing entity.

In Connecticut the Plaintiff in a foreclosure action is required to perform a title search to determine the encumbrances on the property. Those encumbrances that predate the priority of of the foreclosing entity are simply identified in the complaint as prior encumbrances. Those that are subsequent to the Plaintiff's priority are identified in the complaint as junior encumbrances, and are named as defendants in the foreclosure action.

In summary, the objective is to have the appraised value and marketable title value coincide for a property. If they do not someone...buyer...mortgagee or title insurer is going to be rather upset with the outcome. The seller could also be sued for breach of warranty. Without the abstractor's work marketable title can not be determined.

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Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Robert Franco/OH
8/30/2007 1:34:50 PM (4041 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:48:49 PM (2725 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Deborah Manion/VA
8/30/2007 2:15:25 PM (2551 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 2:17:28 PM (2647 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Wendi See/SC
8/30/2007 11:33:00 AM (2747 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Loretta Reed/MD
8/30/2007 9:43:50 PM (2655 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - kristin sandman/IN
8/30/2007 10:49:32 PM (2606 views)
Should say "And Wendi" not Any Wendi, sorry n/m - Loretta Reed/MD
8/31/2007 9:37:07 AM (2602 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - george Hubka/MI
9/1/2007 9:49:36 PM (2519 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Norean /GA
9/1/2007 10:51:18 AM (2561 views)
Re: What do you know?!?! Somebody else knows we exist!!! - Lisa Ramsey/TX
9/4/2007 12:47:50 PM (2591 views)

E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/24/2007 3:32:41 PM (2493 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Loretta Reed/MD
8/24/2007 4:38:49 PM (2942 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:20:56 AM (2765 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Jennifer  Porter/FL
8/28/2007 7:04:38 PM (2732 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Katrina Harris/GA
8/29/2007 11:18:24 AM (2734 views)
Re: E & O Insurance - Robert Franco/OH
8/29/2007 2:33:32 PM (2676 views)

GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/24/2007 1:38:41 PM (2429 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/26/2007 9:30:10 AM (2843 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Alix Ott/MI
8/27/2007 11:57:03 AM (2850 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - clay doss/MO
8/28/2007 12:30:09 AM (2757 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - george Hubka/MI
8/28/2007 4:12:34 PM (2803 views)
Re: GDocs - power in numbers - Kevin Ahern/CT
8/30/2007 1:47:31 PM (2780 views)

Title Stream paid - Dan Zook/NY
8/24/2007 9:09:46 AM (1833 views)

Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jay Duncan/MO
8/22/2007 5:57:51 PM (3447 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - George Booth/OH
8/23/2007 9:05:12 AM (2658 views)
Re: Mortgage Industry Job Cuts Surpass 38,000 - Jason Sheppard/PA
8/27/2007 11:17:46 AM (2688 views)

India warning - NoName/CA
8/22/2007 3:34:40 PM (2444 views)
Re: India warning - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/24/2007 3:51:56 AM (2966 views)

Home Owners Associations. - Nikky/FL
8/22/2007 12:42:35 PM (2222 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Wendi See/SC
8/22/2007 1:07:41 PM (2908 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - Patrick Scott/IL
8/22/2007 1:35:23 PM (3140 views)
Re: Home Owners Associations. - STEVE MEINECKE/VA
8/22/2007 5:59:42 PM (2995 views)


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