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iMortgage Services - Pat/NY
5/21/2008 9:28:30 AM (3906 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/21/2008 9:56:50 AM (3821 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - Pat/NY
5/21/2008 10:15:50 AM (3664 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - Vikki Moffitt/GA
5/21/2008 11:33:36 AM (3687 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - george Hubka/MI
5/26/2008 7:53:10 PM (3706 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - J Nisonger/CA
5/27/2008 7:42:27 PM (3696 views)
Re: iMortgage Services - george Hubka/MI
5/29/2008 9:23:10 AM (3603 views)

KKRB - Rachel Lallman/OH
5/20/2008 2:02:26 PM (3311 views)

Grand Info Inc - Joanie Hahr/VT
5/19/2008 10:17:34 AM (4047 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/19/2008 10:22:21 PM (3531 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Laura Darby/OH
5/20/2008 9:27:12 AM (3445 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Virginia Capps/TN
5/20/2008 6:22:17 PM (3379 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/21/2008 5:54:07 PM (6242 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/21/2008 11:59:20 PM (3322 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/22/2008 12:39:10 PM (3186 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/22/2008 11:51:15 PM (3222 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - . APS/NY
5/23/2008 6:01:44 AM (3325 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:39:05 PM (3100 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2008 8:32:54 PM (3032 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/1/2008 7:13:40 AM (3001 views)
Grand Info, etc. - Dave Pell/GA
6/1/2008 4:57:59 PM (3057 views)

I don't post frequently, but I have seen the same broken record of late-paying companies giving excuses about 60 - 90 day payments. While I am posting this under the current thread, the same applies to all the same excuses that have come before, and all that will come after. I do not mean to call out "Robb Grandon" specifically, because there are many others with similar philosophies.

He may be a nice guy with good intentions, but the reality is that "Pay you when we get paid" and "60 - 90 days payment" are both unprofessional ways to do business with abstractor-vendors. Period.

Businesses which handle their payments to abstractor this way, do not use this same policy with other vendors. Phone bills, utility bills, taxes, payroll, etc., are paid promptly. If allowed to go even 60 days, the phones would be cut off, the employees would leave, and it would be dark inside.

An abstractor-vendor is no different than any other vendor. They provided a service, which is due payment. It is not contigent upon payment from any other 3rd party.

Very often, the justification for this payment practice comes in the form of. "...that's the way the business is....."

The real reason for this practice is often that the company is undercapitalized. Operating on a shoestring budget requires that the company wait to get paid before they can afford to pay their vendors. An abstractor is well advised to avoid this type of customer, as they are only one bad week away from being insolvent. The right way to run a company is to have sufficient funds available to handle everyday expenses. You can call it "excess working capital", "operating fund", or any other proper name your accountant likes to use. Really it is simply "enough cash to properly run a business".

Sometimes the end-user company pays late. Sometimes business is slow. Before getting into an industry with this business enviroment, make sure you have the cash to handle this. Otherwise, it is best not to try and get into the business, because as it has been said: "...that's the way the business is.....". Putting this risk and financial liability on your abstractor-vendors is both unprofessional and unfair.

The only other reason a company does this is to float their cash on the backs of vendors. In either case, taking on an abstractor client like these is risky for the abstractor.

When a company that gives reasons such as...

  • "...nothing they could do, this is our accounting policy....."
  • "......Like you I do not make the rules....."

They are saying they have no control over their ability to pay. My question to them would be why do you not have control over your accounting department? Don't they work for you? Just tell them to write the check. There is no "policy" you can't change if you are the boss.

There is no "Rule" that says you can't pay your abstractor immediately. (Except the rule that the bank has that a check will not clear without a sufficient balance.) You either have the money or you don't.

If they cannot control their own internal accounting department, then what hope do they have to collect on their accounts receivable from outside customers? Maybe this is why their abstractors have to wait 90+ days to get paid.

Saying that all your bills are 100% paid up through February is nothing to brag about. That is something worth embarassment. Personal accounts such as mortgage payments would be considered seriously delinquent or in default if paid that late. And business debts, ESPECIALLY TO VALUED INDUSTRY PEERS, should be considered no less important.

The bottom line is that any payment beyond 30 days is late. (Even 30 days is already an extension of free financing to the customer!) Any description of why it is late is simply an excuse. Abstractors, don't fall for it.

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Re: Grand Info, etc. - Robert Franco/OH
6/1/2008 6:08:14 PM (3048 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 6:58:07 PM (3107 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - Vikki Moffitt/GA
6/1/2008 7:33:23 PM (3334 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - michael quinn/NY
6/2/2008 12:45:10 AM (2909 views)
Re: Grand Info, etc. - michael quinn/NY
6/2/2008 12:45:15 AM (2980 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/23/2008 7:06:17 AM (3477 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - J Nisonger/CA
5/25/2008 1:29:02 PM (3342 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
5/26/2008 8:07:53 PM (3147 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Diane O'Neill/MI
5/27/2008 9:21:05 AM (3052 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
5/27/2008 12:04:39 AM (3228 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:46:36 PM (3008 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
5/31/2008 8:38:23 PM (3764 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 9:32:29 PM (2958 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
5/27/2008 6:56:59 AM (3194 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Diane O'Neill/MI
5/27/2008 9:07:19 AM (3251 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 8:06:33 PM (2958 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/9/2008 11:12:54 PM (2949 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/10/2008 12:03:22 AM (3049 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Rob  Robinson/PA
6/10/2008 2:21:52 AM (2921 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 3:08:32 AM (3014 views)
One more thing to add... - Robert Franco/OH
6/10/2008 10:35:40 AM (3054 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 2:04:12 AM (3105 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Kevin Ahern/CT
6/10/2008 7:53:22 AM (2936 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robert Franco/OH
6/10/2008 10:42:36 AM (2887 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/10/2008 11:37:16 PM (3026 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/11/2008 4:53:19 PM (3048 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
5/31/2008 4:51:49 PM (2875 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Scott Perry/PA
6/1/2008 7:57:56 PM (2996 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
6/1/2008 10:57:20 PM (2805 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - george Hubka/MI
6/1/2008 10:52:34 PM (2834 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Robb Grandon/MI
6/3/2008 1:41:49 PM (3046 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - michael quinn/NY
6/3/2008 6:32:57 PM (2906 views)
Re: Grand Info Inc - Joanie Hahr/VT
6/24/2008 6:54:25 PM (2900 views)

Pilot Search Company - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/19/2008 9:08:34 AM (3808 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - Chuck Y/NY
5/19/2008 1:38:31 PM (3743 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - george Hubka/MI
5/19/2008 8:56:38 PM (3416 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/20/2008 12:11:48 PM (3505 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/20/2008 12:09:43 PM (3404 views)
Re: Pilot Search Company - Mark Forbes/NY
8/14/2008 2:58:11 PM (2801 views)

HUD LISTINGS - Matt Pardue/KY
5/15/2008 5:23:43 PM (3637 views)
Re: HUD LISTINGS - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/16/2008 10:20:39 AM (6167 views)
Re: HUD LISTINGS - Matt Pardue/KY
5/17/2008 9:22:52 PM (3301 views)




ASA Real Estate Services - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/15/2008 12:49:28 PM (4043 views)
ASA Real Estate Services, Newington CT - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
5/16/2008 8:06:14 AM (4036 views)
Re: ASA Real Estate Services, Newington CT - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/16/2008 8:51:40 AM (3873 views)
Re: ASA Real Estate Services, Newington CT - Glenda Hodge/TN
5/16/2008 11:40:32 AM (4343 views)
Try this to find ASA Real Estate Services - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
5/16/2008 1:35:14 PM (4220 views)
Re: ASA Real Estate Services - Joanie Hahr/VT
5/19/2008 10:08:56 AM (3669 views)

$50 Million Title Claim - Jeanine Johnson/FL
5/14/2008 6:11:27 PM (3340 views)

Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 6:55:50 AM (3618 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 7:25:23 AM (3735 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 7:59:17 AM (3752 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 11:31:53 AM (3702 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 11:56:40 AM (3661 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kurt deVries/FL
5/14/2008 1:12:02 PM (3617 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 1:22:12 PM (3630 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kurt deVries/FL
5/14/2008 1:29:45 PM (3627 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/14/2008 1:33:18 PM (3678 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - J Nisonger/CA
5/27/2008 7:33:18 PM (3513 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/27/2008 10:14:49 PM (5909 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - J Nisonger/CA
5/30/2008 5:33:15 PM (3658 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 4:43:09 PM (6414 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Virginia Capps/TN
5/14/2008 4:52:45 PM (3708 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/14/2008 4:58:57 PM (3745 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 10:18:42 AM (3462 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/27/2008 2:07:27 PM (3404 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 3:58:55 PM (3459 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 4:18:37 PM (3431 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Lucille Femine/NJ
5/27/2008 4:28:55 PM (3374 views)
Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Meanwhile, back at the ranch... - J Nisonger/CA
5/30/2008 5:36:37 PM (3424 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Kevin Ahern/CT
5/30/2008 8:03:07 AM (3371 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - Scott Perry/PA
5/30/2008 5:06:23 PM (3381 views)
Re: Gasoline Prices - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/30/2008 5:26:01 PM (3622 views)

Advantage Title - Cheryl O'Brien/VA
5/13/2008 6:10:33 PM (3357 views)

Infinity International Processing Services - Lynn Hammett/SC
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Re: Infinity International Processing Services - Margaret Tobin/NC
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Re: Infinity International Processing Services - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Infinity International Processing Services - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Re: DARN Infinity International Processing Services - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: DARN Infinity International Processing Services - Brandon/MI
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HUD Extends Comment Period Until June 12th - Lynn Hammett/SC
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Re: HUD Extends Comment Period Until June 12th - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: HUD Extends Comment Period Until June 12th - Patrick Scott/IL
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Slowdown - Cheryl O'Brien/VA
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National Equity Services - Robert Franco/OH
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