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Give this Christmas gift to your good clients/vendors! - Slade Smith/OH
12/22/2008 7:22:48 AM (4230 views)
Re: Give this Christmas gift to your good clients/vendors! - Dan Zook/NY
12/22/2008 8:48:42 AM (6088 views)
This might take some time ... - Dan Zook/NY
12/22/2008 9:11:48 AM (6113 views)
Re: This might take some time ... - Slade Smith/OH
12/22/2008 5:27:17 PM (5747 views)

New York Title Abstract - Ron McPherson/IA
12/21/2008 8:26:40 PM (4168 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Jennifer Coffey/VA
12/23/2008 1:09:32 AM (6002 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Ron McPherson/IA
12/23/2008 8:56:06 PM (6158 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Julia Walker/KS
1/5/2009 12:29:34 PM (6032 views)
Re: New York Title Abstract - Denise Lippolis /NY
2/28/2009 12:27:39 PM (5777 views)

REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
12/18/2008 7:10:05 PM (4204 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Jessica Talley/NJ
12/18/2008 8:23:55 PM (5909 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
12/19/2008 10:48:57 AM (6009 views)
Re: REFERENCES ON ABG - Jeffrey Pettit/PA
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Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - . APS/NY
12/18/2008 4:04:54 PM (4213 views)
Re: Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - Arthur Rosenbaum/PA
12/30/2008 9:55:54 AM (5913 views)

Legacy Title (Indiana) - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: Legacy Title (Indiana) - Scott Joest/IN
12/22/2008 10:37:17 AM (5941 views)




Remove Disclaimer ??? - Glenda Hodge/TN
12/17/2008 6:47:39 PM (4540 views)
Hold Your Ground - Scott Perry/PA
12/17/2008 11:21:13 PM (6085 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/18/2008 9:52:15 AM (6093 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - MW/IL
12/18/2008 11:51:21 AM (5888 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/19/2008 12:53:07 PM (5702 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 10:27:28 AM (6081 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 11:20:50 AM (5724 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/19/2008 1:08:43 PM (5693 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 8:00:10 PM (5650 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 1:26:48 PM (5769 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 3:17:38 PM (5548 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2008 10:01:23 PM (5440 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/20/2008 10:14:12 PM (5622 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:32:33 PM (5434 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Patricia Turley/MI
12/22/2008 6:34:06 AM (5664 views)
Is that really necessary? - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2008 9:54:07 AM (5547 views)
A place for disclaimers - David Bloys/TX
12/22/2008 10:01:16 AM (6026 views)
Re: A place for disclaimers - William Pattison /CA
1/5/2009 12:33:33 PM (5605 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Nils Nelson/ME
12/22/2008 9:41:02 AM (5613 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Janis Talbot/SC
12/22/2008 10:51:09 AM (5579 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/23/2008 3:41:07 PM (5699 views)
Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:08:44 AM (5599 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/24/2008 8:44:35 AM (5423 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:29:13 PM (5268 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:21:10 PM (5306 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/24/2008 1:46:55 PM (5478 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:13:15 PM (5552 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/25/2008 1:27:00 AM (8218 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2008 10:00:55 AM (5258 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:43:45 PM (5535 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/28/2008 1:03:26 AM (5442 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/29/2008 11:36:35 AM (5322 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2008 11:43:18 AM (5422 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 8:56:23 AM (5294 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:51:48 PM (5286 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:25:51 PM (5382 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
12/30/2008 7:49:56 PM (5248 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/31/2008 2:49:09 PM (7489 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - stephen willard/OH
1/6/2009 7:17:22 AM (5319 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/6/2009 9:34:34 AM (5465 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/6/2009 5:02:27 PM (5199 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/7/2009 3:01:26 AM (5478 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2009 12:39:23 PM (5222 views)

You bring up some good points.  It does appear that having E&O insurance makes you a "deep pocket" and may make it more likely that a client will go after you for your mistakes.  But, if you have assets (i.e., a home) you could still be sued and, without E&O, you could lose them.  We really haven't seen it happen much in the past, but with the huge losses the underwriters are facing they could start looking to collect from the abstractors who cause their losses.  The fact that the client has E&O insurance does not prevent you from getting sued.  When their E&O carrier pays the claim, they acquire subrogation rights against the abstractor and they could sue to recover their payout.  I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this, but I predict we will see it see it happen soon.

The article I posted (back in November 2004) does give the impression that the abstractor "might" have successfully limited his liability had he NOT had E&O.  (see Searcher Owes Insurer for Missed Lien) But, that is unclear.  His E&O policy was one factor the court looked at to determine whether the parties actually intended to make the disclaimer a part of their contract.  Whether or not the disclaimers are effective is not really known.  I suppose it depends a great deal on state laws.  It may work in some jurisdictions and not others.

There aren't a lot of cases out there.  First, if the abstractor carries E&O insurance the cases are often settled and you don't hear about them.  Second, if the abstractor doesn't carry E&O he may not have sufficient resources to pay a judgment and the suit is not worth pursuing.  I think the fact that many clients now require E&O, and some clients are told by their E&O carriers that they have to require that their abstractors carry E&O, shows that they are considering pursuing recourse against the abstractors.  If they start doing this, I would hate to be caught in a claims situation without coverage.  Maybe the disclaimer will hold up in court... maybe it won't.  That is not a chance I would want to take.

Ultimately, I believe that the abstractors should be liable for the losses they cause.  Perhaps if there were more suits against the abstractors, we would see many of the "fly-by-night" companies disappear.  If they had E&O, they wouldn't be able to afford it after a couple of claims, and if they didn't have it, they would not be able to afford the first claim they are hit with. 

Like I said, I know there is completely different mindset regarding E&O in New York.  I have spoken to several New York abstractors who told me that nobody carries the coverage.  We have never had to file a claim on our policy, but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if we didn't have it.  Anyone can make a mistake and you never know when a client will decide to make an example of somebody.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/9/2009 11:50:36 PM (5211 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2009 11:47:01 AM (5256 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/10/2009 1:52:55 PM (7489 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
1/10/2009 5:35:24 PM (5487 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/11/2009 1:58:20 AM (5104 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/6/2009 4:57:07 PM (4946 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/6/2009 5:14:49 PM (5104 views)

Beware of Richmond Title - Virginia Capps/TN
12/15/2008 5:51:53 PM (4668 views)
Re: Beware of Richmond Title - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2008 8:23:55 PM (6102 views)
Re: Beware of Richmond Title - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: Beware of Richmond Title - SM/IL
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Re: Beware of Richmond Title - Jean Allen/NC
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Re: Beware of Richmond Title - Garret  Fitzgerald/VA
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Re: Beware of Richmond Title - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Beware of Richmond Title - Kenneth/TX
12/29/2008 9:53:47 AM (5530 views)

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! - HEIDI CIMA/PA
12/12/2008 2:15:57 PM (4601 views)
Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! - michael quinn/NY
12/13/2008 4:25:32 PM (6418 views)
Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! - HEIDI CIMA/PA
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Re: HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! - martha campbell/VA
12/29/2008 8:46:55 PM (5815 views)

First American Doc Edge Software - ecenteno/NV
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Re: First American Doc Edge Software - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: First American Doc Edge Software - Anthony Gioia/NY
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Re: First American Doc Edge Software - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: First American Doc Edge Software - ecenteno/NV
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Re: First American Doc Edge Software - ecenteno/NV
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Letter sent re: deed copy for $$ - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/11/2008 10:50:53 AM (4390 views)
Re: Letter sent re: deed copy for $$ - Jarrod Clabaugh/OH
12/15/2008 9:43:37 AM (5997 views)
Re: Letter sent re: deed copy for $$ - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:32:46 PM (5831 views)

C- Fax - Douglas Johnson/MN
12/11/2008 9:23:23 AM (4096 views)
Re: C- Fax - PATRICIA PALMER-ILKO/PA
12/11/2008 9:33:53 AM (6424 views)
Re: C- Fax - Patrick/NY
12/11/2008 9:40:19 AM (6503 views)
Re: C- Fax - Eric Gustitus/PA
12/12/2008 9:08:29 AM (6224 views)

Please help stop the auction... - J Nisonger/CA
12/10/2008 9:28:13 PM (6071 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Slade Smith/OH
12/11/2008 4:33:05 AM (6382 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - David Bloys/TX
12/12/2008 10:57:24 AM (6206 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - George Booth/OH
12/15/2008 8:52:53 AM (6213 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/15/2008 3:11:45 PM (6082 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - Virginia Capps/TN
12/15/2008 5:59:34 PM (6007 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - J Nisonger/CA
12/15/2008 8:20:54 PM (6196 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
12/16/2008 2:40:11 AM (6272 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/16/2008 10:43:30 AM (6111 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - George Booth/OH
12/17/2008 9:20:32 AM (6176 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
12/17/2008 3:19:21 PM (6008 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Langdon Knight/MO
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Virginia Capps/TN
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - michael quinn/NY
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Patrick Scott/IL
12/18/2008 10:35:26 PM (6128 views)
Re: Please help stop the auction... - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: Please help stop the auction... - Garret  Fitzgerald/VA
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YES! Please help stop the auction... - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: YES! Please help stop the auction... - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 8:49:11 AM (6083 views)
Re: YES! Please help stop the auction... - J Nisonger/CA
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Timios, Inc - Ken/AL
12/10/2008 6:02:13 PM (4997 views)
Re: Timios, Inc - . APS/NY
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Re: Timios, Inc - lisa/FL
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Re: Timios, Inc - Tony Costa/LA
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Holiday Cheer! - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: Holiday Cheer! - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: Holiday Cheer! - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: Holiday Cheer! - michael quinn/NY
12/12/2008 3:39:09 AM (6468 views)
Re: Holiday Cheer! - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/12/2008 4:35:18 PM (6606 views)
Re: Holiday Cheer! - Virginia Capps/TN
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ESS Solutions, LLC - Christine Sheeler/PA
12/10/2008 7:06:08 AM (4217 views)
Re: ESS Solutions, LLC - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Re: ESS Solutions, LLC - Christine Sheeler/PA
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