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Collection Agencies - Danielle Nelson/WI
10/10/2008 5:06:18 PM (3637 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - . APS/NY
10/13/2008 9:55:16 PM (4447 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/14/2008 5:33:02 AM (4401 views)
Re: Collection Agencies - DIANA NYTKO/CT
10/20/2008 11:14:57 AM (4200 views)

two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 8:03:45 PM (3851 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
10/8/2008 11:02:35 PM (4989 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/9/2008 5:17:27 PM (4755 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Ellen Maher/MI
10/9/2008 6:14:54 PM (4699 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Jay Duncan/MO
10/9/2008 8:42:09 PM (4721 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/9/2008 10:50:05 PM (4797 views)

I ordered a full title search - 60 years, not a property report.

The abstractor did not provide a copy of the mortgage. The abstractor reports the factual data from the mortgage document. If we need to see the mortgage, we request a copy. In this case, we saw no need to review the document ourselves.

If the abstractor had reviewed the mortgage, they would have noted the incorrect address. I did not mention that there was also an incorrect tax parcel number on the first page.

The seller in our transaction owned two properties on the same street. We insured the purchase of one. The other was lost by the seller in foreclosure.

The two mortgages in question were executed on the same day by the same borrower for the same lender. The two properties were on the same street. The legal descriptions were switched in error.

The mortgage lender's servicing department when they set up the two loans in their system did not check the legal descriptions and so they assigned account numbers to the property addresses shown on the first page of each mortgage.

We followed proper procedure in requesting payoff. In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

We followed proper procedure when sending the payoff check.
In addition to the account number and property address, we included the recording info.

If the lender had checked the recording info, they would also have noticed a problem, however they did not.

Our check matched the payoff letter which had been issued by the lender. Upon receipt the lender applied it to the account number matching their records and satisfied what they thought was the mortgage against our property.

The HELOC lender ordered a property report from the same abstractor who had done our original full search.

How could this have been avoided? If the abstractor had looked at the mortgage carefully the first time, and noticed the address was wrong, she might have also noticed the other mortgage. In 2004 the same lender owned both mortgages and we could have gotten it straightened out. After we paid off the one mortgage, the other was sold to GMAC who later foreclosed. The mistaken legal description was clearly found in the foreclosure search and the court order correcting the instrument cleared the cloud.

As for indexing, I think the first error would have been easy to catch. As for missing the court order, I am relying upon the response from the abstractor who said she should have got it when she did the property report for the HELOC lender.

I realize this is a confusing scenario. Anytime we run across a problem, I think it's good to talk about it because we all learn to be more careful.

I know there is lots of talk about title agents who won't pay a decent fee or want the abstractor to give only partial searches.

I paid $150 for a full search. I think that's reasonable and I believe this abstractor will be more careful in the future.

I think the entire experience was a great training opportunity, and it had a happy ending.

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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Dan Zook/NY
10/10/2008 9:22:41 AM (4732 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/11/2008 5:15:36 PM (4538 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/10/2008 11:34:02 AM (4740 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 12:05:36 PM (4781 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Pattison /CA
10/16/2008 6:07:59 PM (4298 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
10/16/2008 8:45:36 PM (4332 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Diane Cipa/PA
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - george Hubka/MI
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/13/2008 11:04:33 AM (4655 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
10/14/2008 9:08:03 AM (4602 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - William Hess/AL
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Rob  Robinson/PA
10/15/2008 12:23:00 PM (4309 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Douglas Gallant/OH
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Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Candi Richter/NJ
10/15/2008 7:13:08 AM (4502 views)
Re: two abstract errors, alot of extra work and a consumer who had to wait it out - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/15/2008 2:21:36 PM (4468 views)

Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Source of Title Maintenance Notice - Robert Franco/OH
10/10/2008 11:49:40 AM (4434 views)

timios inc - John East/AL
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Timios inc - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
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Re: timios inc - K Smith/ME
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Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Ronda Roaring/NY
10/7/2008 5:24:02 PM (3543 views)
Re: Your opinions please--paying signing agents up front - Diane Cipa/PA
10/8/2008 7:43:19 PM (4632 views)


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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Helene /GA
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Robert Breakell/CT
10/7/2008 10:39:44 AM (5001 views)
Personal thought with no factual basis - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - Anita Backlund/MN
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Re: Another Fee Reduction Request - george Hubka/MI
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JC Abstracting - Barbara Hamilton/CA
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Upgrade notice for sourceoftitle.com - Slade Smith/OH
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The AfBA battle is on! - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: The AfBA battle is on! - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Bankers Title Company - Gone - Frank NAVARRO/IL
10/2/2008 6:50:11 PM (4016 views)
Re: Bankers Title Company - Gone - Patricia Turley/MI
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Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Erin Carraway/NY
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Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Patrick/NY
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Another willing cheerleader - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Any info on Abstractor listing websites? - Helene /GA
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Questions on title companies & Leads - Erin Carraway/NY
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Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - Erin Carraway/NY
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Re: Questions on title companies & Leads - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Info on Abstractors A Go Go - george Hubka/MI
10/1/2008 6:27:14 PM (4329 views)
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