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American Title, inc. - Erin Carraway/NY
2/5/2009 2:39:06 PM (3660 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
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Re: American Title, inc. - Erin Carraway/NY
2/5/2009 3:11:46 PM (4143 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Carl Ashford/CO
2/5/2009 4:27:55 PM (4265 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Sandra Morton/KS
2/7/2009 4:03:28 PM (4072 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/5/2009 5:36:14 PM (4255 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Alix Ott/MI
2/6/2009 9:10:05 AM (4005 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/6/2009 1:54:04 PM (4054 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Wendi See/SC
2/8/2009 3:32:57 PM (4016 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 6:00:48 AM (3685 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Michael Vernon/AZ
2/9/2009 12:33:38 PM (4028 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - American Title/NE
2/10/2009 4:37:20 PM (7284 views)

ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 11:57:53 AM (3505 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Cindy Thomas/NY
2/6/2009 2:52:47 PM (4022 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Constance Foye/VA
2/11/2009 7:03:22 PM (3729 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Greg Paszkiewicz/NJ
2/23/2009 12:47:32 PM (3630 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 5:52:35 PM (3615 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Smitty Strickland/SC
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nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/5/2009 8:59:26 AM (3703 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/5/2009 10:47:19 AM (6981 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/5/2009 2:22:14 PM (3971 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/5/2009 3:22:23 PM (4063 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/9/2009 2:44:32 PM (4069 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 2:52:37 PM (3993 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/9/2009 3:15:32 PM (3919 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - cindy thomas/NY
2/9/2009 5:02:31 PM (6451 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - nXt Generation Title Services, LLC/FL
2/10/2009 10:52:31 AM (3974 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/10/2009 12:58:43 PM (4055 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:42:56 PM (3891 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:20:01 PM (3785 views)

mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:48:02 PM (3483 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 3:51:15 PM (3926 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:56:52 PM (3947 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 4:00:55 PM (3813 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/8/2009 4:18:20 PM (3752 views)

Off the beaten path - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:36:52 PM (3391 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/3/2009 11:31:49 PM (3977 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Patrick Scott/IL
2/4/2009 12:01:44 AM (3890 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 12:55:17 AM (3998 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 10:42:36 AM (3861 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:52:16 AM (3918 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:18:23 AM (3777 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:48:33 PM (3843 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 7:43:44 PM (6411 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:09:45 AM (3618 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 11:53:54 AM (3692 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 12:44:49 PM (3591 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 1:51:09 PM (3577 views)
Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 1:09:11 PM (3835 views)

Scott,

Your answers are really not supporting your position.

First, the fact that only "new items" would be subject to the tax is just another reason why a national sales tax would not work.  To take a look at an industry already stuggling, the auto industry, your plan would make our current economic situation even worse.  The government is already trying to provide tax credits for purchasing automobiles.  If only new autos are taxes under your plan, who would not opt to buy a used car when the savings would be 30% MORE?  Your plan would drive up the used car prices and still not address the underlying problem we are currently facing - nobody is buying new cars. If people don't buy new items because they are 30% more than used items, the economy would suffer drastically.  And, it would hurt the people with less money who would be paying more for used cars.  This holds true of any goods - not just cars.

Second, you don't seem concerned that burgleries and theft woudl increase dramatically.  The criminals you say would begin paying tax on their toys assumes they would buy these items new... fact is they are criminals and they would steal them - and have even a new source of revenue on the black market.  The increase cost of crime on society would be huge.... higher insurance prices for all of us, and higher prices on all goods to make up for losses caused by theft.

Third, your explanation of the effect on those with Roth IRAs is not really an answer.  The fact is that these people paid the income tax on that money already and they would be paying a 30% tax on that money again when they draw the money out to spend it.  That doesn't seem very fair for something called the "Fair Tax."  Sure, they would pay some taxes anyway... but nothing near the 30% you want to charge them.

Fourth, you seem to think that the rich are stupid and they will continue to spend lavishly in the face of a 30% national sales tax.  Quite arguably, the rich became rich by saving and spending wisely.  If they can buy used porsches, yachts, and jets, they will do so.  And, don't forget that the most coveted items among the rich, antiques and artwork, are all by their very nature "used items" that, according to you, will not be taxed.  The rich will simply change their spending habits to take the best advantage of your plan.  They won't be the cash cow that you imagine them to be.

Fifth, you seem to miss the point regarding the overall effect on the economy.  There is a big difference between the current income tax and your plan.  In a recession, we need consumer spending to create jobs and economic growth.  With your plan, there is an incentive to save, not spend, which is especially true in poor economic times.  How do you spur the economy with a national sales tax?  You need consumer spending, but have tax system that penalizes those who spend.

Sixth, you didn't address the major flaw in the "Fair Tax"... it is NOT fair.  It will cost the middle class MORE in taxes.  The graduated income tax provides a lower rate on the first dollars earned.  It starts at only 10% and gradually rises to about 36%.  With a national sales tax, those who make between $30,000 and $200,000 will be paying 30% on every dollar they spend, since most in that category spend all of their income, they will be paying the maximum amount from the beginning and they lose out of the beneftis of the lower rates provided by the graduated income tax.

Those who can save - will save.  Those who can't save will shoulder the majority of the tax burden in this country.  The rich will get richer, the middle class will get poorer, and the poor won't pay taxes in either tax system.

You seem to have bought into the hype that a consumption tax is a "fair" tax... just because someone decided to call it the "Fair Tax" doesn't change the nature of it.  It is not inherently any more fair than the graduated income tax - it is a consumption tax that hits hardest those who consume the most as a percentage of their income.  Since those with lower incomes spend the largest percent of their incomes, they will be the real losers under your plan.

And you are really wrong when it comes to which provides the more stabile base - that is certainly not a consumption tax.  In lean times, it is easy to cut back on spending - or at least to cut back on spending on "new items," which you claim will be the only category of goods to be taxed.  Thus, the nation would suffer from decreased revenue when it needs it the most.

We could argue this forever... but the simple fact is that the majority of economists and politicians do not consider the consumption tax to be a viable alternative.  It will not happen. As I have said, if we were to try, we would end up trying to phase in a consumption tax and the income tax would never go away - we would have both.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Still makes no sense.... - Scott Perry/PA
2/10/2009 3:26:30 AM (3601 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/10/2009 9:59:16 AM (3616 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
2/11/2009 1:07:54 PM (3569 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/11/2009 1:43:23 PM (3570 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/11/2009 4:48:23 PM (3561 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/12/2009 12:46:38 AM (3465 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Douglas Gallant/OH
2/11/2009 5:06:23 PM (3537 views)
As I Was Saying... - Scott Perry/PA
2/16/2009 12:14:21 AM (3558 views)
Re: As I Was Saying... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 11:56:29 AM (3651 views)
Re: Commercial Activity Tax... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 3:04:27 PM (6204 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/6/2009 4:45:51 PM (3682 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/6/2009 6:17:30 AM (3642 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:03:24 AM (3643 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:47:54 AM (3782 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 11:06:18 AM (3601 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:10:33 AM (3565 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:31:26 AM (3649 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:59:28 AM (3659 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Barbara Bennett/IN
2/4/2009 3:28:50 PM (3459 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:21:39 AM (3569 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:25:01 PM (3774 views)




reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:20:18 PM (3271 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
2/3/2009 2:25:20 PM (4030 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michelle/IL
2/4/2009 1:18:59 PM (3616 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/5/2009 10:00:22 PM (3762 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/6/2009 12:52:40 PM (3669 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 3:56:45 PM (3556 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:18:17 PM (3499 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/17/2009 9:17:45 AM (3494 views)

Title Assurance & Indemnity Corp. of NA Cleveland, OH - MIchael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:01:36 PM (2495 views)

The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/1/2009 8:20:52 AM (3657 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/1/2009 6:37:04 PM (3786 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Janis Talbot/SC
2/2/2009 9:11:46 AM (4040 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/2/2009 8:34:15 PM (3858 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/3/2009 7:10:57 AM (3777 views)

What is considered slow pay? - no name/MI
1/30/2009 12:50:38 PM (3260 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:59:33 PM (3853 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 1:33:34 PM (4095 views)

Probate Question - Helene /GA
1/29/2009 11:50:27 PM (3133 views)
Re: Probate Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 6:52:39 AM (4027 views)
Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 9:28:41 AM (4095 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:01:35 AM (3838 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 10:25:15 AM (3674 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:49:36 AM (3710 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Helene /GA
1/30/2009 10:38:14 PM (3796 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Douglas Gallant/OH
1/31/2009 8:27:20 AM (3804 views)

Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:53:59 PM (4875 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 11:22:02 PM (4105 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 11:58:37 PM (3877 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 8:07:42 AM (4085 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:15:04 AM (4123 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:16:02 AM (4020 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Alix Ott/MI
2/2/2009 2:10:27 PM (3800 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 8:46:02 AM (3991 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:55:40 PM (5646 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - michael quinn/NY
2/1/2009 1:09:50 AM (3808 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/1/2009 6:01:27 AM (3899 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - WAYNE QUICK/NC
2/2/2009 6:16:26 PM (3839 views)

The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 2:56:14 PM (3472 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Kim Cowles/WI
1/29/2009 2:59:08 PM (4054 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 3:48:35 PM (3831 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/29/2009 6:58:44 PM (3830 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Barbara Kelley/PA
2/2/2009 8:50:30 AM (3760 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Robert Franco/OH
2/2/2009 9:33:45 AM (3917 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:43:16 PM (3872 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Anthony Joseph/TX
2/4/2009 8:22:07 AM (3926 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 6:04:15 AM (3565 views)

MONEY OWED - quinn cioffi/PA
1/28/2009 2:38:15 PM (3504 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - Laurie E/MD
1/28/2009 6:04:33 PM (3729 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - george Hubka/MI
2/24/2009 6:51:47 PM (3498 views)

New Real Estate Numbers Are Out - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 2:25:36 PM (4255 views)

Snow Day! - Robert Franco/OH
1/28/2009 12:39:37 PM (3118 views)
Re: Snow Day! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/28/2009 12:45:16 PM (3845 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Nils Nelson/ME
1/28/2009 4:37:10 PM (3856 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Joanie Hahr/VT
1/28/2009 5:05:58 PM (3622 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Glenda Hodge/TN
1/28/2009 11:14:51 PM (3665 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/29/2009 2:39:41 PM (3553 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/29/2009 3:36:29 PM (3689 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:41:24 PM (3710 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/30/2009 3:55:14 PM (3962 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:31:02 AM (3789 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:30:35 AM (3721 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/31/2009 12:36:02 PM (3652 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:42:38 PM (3721 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:44:38 PM (3651 views)


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