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mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:48:02 PM (3433 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 3:51:15 PM (3729 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:56:52 PM (3752 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 4:00:55 PM (3622 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/8/2009 4:18:20 PM (3545 views)

Off the beaten path - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:36:52 PM (3332 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/3/2009 11:31:49 PM (3795 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Patrick Scott/IL
2/4/2009 12:01:44 AM (3712 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 12:55:17 AM (3810 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 10:42:36 AM (3696 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:52:16 AM (3750 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:18:23 AM (3607 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:48:33 PM (3662 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 7:43:44 PM (6227 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:09:45 AM (3419 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 11:53:54 AM (3506 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 12:44:49 PM (3402 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 1:51:09 PM (3415 views)
Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 1:09:11 PM (3670 views)

Scott,

Your answers are really not supporting your position.

First, the fact that only "new items" would be subject to the tax is just another reason why a national sales tax would not work.  To take a look at an industry already stuggling, the auto industry, your plan would make our current economic situation even worse.  The government is already trying to provide tax credits for purchasing automobiles.  If only new autos are taxes under your plan, who would not opt to buy a used car when the savings would be 30% MORE?  Your plan would drive up the used car prices and still not address the underlying problem we are currently facing - nobody is buying new cars. If people don't buy new items because they are 30% more than used items, the economy would suffer drastically.  And, it would hurt the people with less money who would be paying more for used cars.  This holds true of any goods - not just cars.

Second, you don't seem concerned that burgleries and theft woudl increase dramatically.  The criminals you say would begin paying tax on their toys assumes they would buy these items new... fact is they are criminals and they would steal them - and have even a new source of revenue on the black market.  The increase cost of crime on society would be huge.... higher insurance prices for all of us, and higher prices on all goods to make up for losses caused by theft.

Third, your explanation of the effect on those with Roth IRAs is not really an answer.  The fact is that these people paid the income tax on that money already and they would be paying a 30% tax on that money again when they draw the money out to spend it.  That doesn't seem very fair for something called the "Fair Tax."  Sure, they would pay some taxes anyway... but nothing near the 30% you want to charge them.

Fourth, you seem to think that the rich are stupid and they will continue to spend lavishly in the face of a 30% national sales tax.  Quite arguably, the rich became rich by saving and spending wisely.  If they can buy used porsches, yachts, and jets, they will do so.  And, don't forget that the most coveted items among the rich, antiques and artwork, are all by their very nature "used items" that, according to you, will not be taxed.  The rich will simply change their spending habits to take the best advantage of your plan.  They won't be the cash cow that you imagine them to be.

Fifth, you seem to miss the point regarding the overall effect on the economy.  There is a big difference between the current income tax and your plan.  In a recession, we need consumer spending to create jobs and economic growth.  With your plan, there is an incentive to save, not spend, which is especially true in poor economic times.  How do you spur the economy with a national sales tax?  You need consumer spending, but have tax system that penalizes those who spend.

Sixth, you didn't address the major flaw in the "Fair Tax"... it is NOT fair.  It will cost the middle class MORE in taxes.  The graduated income tax provides a lower rate on the first dollars earned.  It starts at only 10% and gradually rises to about 36%.  With a national sales tax, those who make between $30,000 and $200,000 will be paying 30% on every dollar they spend, since most in that category spend all of their income, they will be paying the maximum amount from the beginning and they lose out of the beneftis of the lower rates provided by the graduated income tax.

Those who can save - will save.  Those who can't save will shoulder the majority of the tax burden in this country.  The rich will get richer, the middle class will get poorer, and the poor won't pay taxes in either tax system.

You seem to have bought into the hype that a consumption tax is a "fair" tax... just because someone decided to call it the "Fair Tax" doesn't change the nature of it.  It is not inherently any more fair than the graduated income tax - it is a consumption tax that hits hardest those who consume the most as a percentage of their income.  Since those with lower incomes spend the largest percent of their incomes, they will be the real losers under your plan.

And you are really wrong when it comes to which provides the more stabile base - that is certainly not a consumption tax.  In lean times, it is easy to cut back on spending - or at least to cut back on spending on "new items," which you claim will be the only category of goods to be taxed.  Thus, the nation would suffer from decreased revenue when it needs it the most.

We could argue this forever... but the simple fact is that the majority of economists and politicians do not consider the consumption tax to be a viable alternative.  It will not happen. As I have said, if we were to try, we would end up trying to phase in a consumption tax and the income tax would never go away - we would have both.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Still makes no sense.... - Scott Perry/PA
2/10/2009 3:26:30 AM (3401 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/10/2009 9:59:16 AM (3436 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
2/11/2009 1:07:54 PM (3388 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/11/2009 1:43:23 PM (3365 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/11/2009 4:48:23 PM (3384 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/12/2009 12:46:38 AM (3309 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Douglas Gallant/OH
2/11/2009 5:06:23 PM (3346 views)
As I Was Saying... - Scott Perry/PA
2/16/2009 12:14:21 AM (3360 views)
Re: As I Was Saying... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 11:56:29 AM (3457 views)
Re: Commercial Activity Tax... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 3:04:27 PM (6008 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/6/2009 4:45:51 PM (3488 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/6/2009 6:17:30 AM (3449 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:03:24 AM (3464 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:47:54 AM (3617 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 11:06:18 AM (3418 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:10:33 AM (3379 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:31:26 AM (3467 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:59:28 AM (3492 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Barbara Bennett/IN
2/4/2009 3:28:50 PM (3280 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:21:39 AM (3421 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:25:01 PM (3542 views)

reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:20:18 PM (3222 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
2/3/2009 2:25:20 PM (3890 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michelle/IL
2/4/2009 1:18:59 PM (3462 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/5/2009 10:00:22 PM (3641 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/6/2009 12:52:40 PM (3535 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 3:56:45 PM (3431 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:18:17 PM (3356 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/17/2009 9:17:45 AM (3347 views)

Title Assurance & Indemnity Corp. of NA Cleveland, OH - MIchael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:01:36 PM (2475 views)

The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/1/2009 8:20:52 AM (3636 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/1/2009 6:37:04 PM (3665 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Janis Talbot/SC
2/2/2009 9:11:46 AM (3912 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/2/2009 8:34:15 PM (3733 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/3/2009 7:10:57 AM (3654 views)




What is considered slow pay? - no name/MI
1/30/2009 12:50:38 PM (3226 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:59:33 PM (3723 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 1:33:34 PM (3930 views)

Probate Question - Helene /GA
1/29/2009 11:50:27 PM (3117 views)
Re: Probate Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 6:52:39 AM (3895 views)
Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 9:28:41 AM (3970 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:01:35 AM (3700 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 10:25:15 AM (3556 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:49:36 AM (3583 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Helene /GA
1/30/2009 10:38:14 PM (3656 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Douglas Gallant/OH
1/31/2009 8:27:20 AM (3664 views)

Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:53:59 PM (4846 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 11:22:02 PM (3938 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 11:58:37 PM (3710 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 8:07:42 AM (3955 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:15:04 AM (3961 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:16:02 AM (3876 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Alix Ott/MI
2/2/2009 2:10:27 PM (3668 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 8:46:02 AM (3843 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:55:40 PM (3638 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - michael quinn/NY
2/1/2009 1:09:50 AM (3646 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/1/2009 6:01:27 AM (3758 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - WAYNE QUICK/NC
2/2/2009 6:16:26 PM (3684 views)

The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 2:56:14 PM (3426 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Kim Cowles/WI
1/29/2009 2:59:08 PM (3881 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 3:48:35 PM (3723 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/29/2009 6:58:44 PM (3700 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Barbara Kelley/PA
2/2/2009 8:50:30 AM (3606 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Robert Franco/OH
2/2/2009 9:33:45 AM (3781 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:43:16 PM (3745 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Anthony Joseph/TX
2/4/2009 8:22:07 AM (3802 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 6:04:15 AM (3435 views)

MONEY OWED - quinn cioffi/PA
1/28/2009 2:38:15 PM (3449 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - Laurie E/MD
1/28/2009 6:04:33 PM (3624 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - george Hubka/MI
2/24/2009 6:51:47 PM (3382 views)

New Real Estate Numbers Are Out - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 2:25:36 PM (4206 views)

Snow Day! - Robert Franco/OH
1/28/2009 12:39:37 PM (3100 views)
Re: Snow Day! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/28/2009 12:45:16 PM (3719 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Nils Nelson/ME
1/28/2009 4:37:10 PM (3730 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Joanie Hahr/VT
1/28/2009 5:05:58 PM (3518 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Glenda Hodge/TN
1/28/2009 11:14:51 PM (3522 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/29/2009 2:39:41 PM (3425 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/29/2009 3:36:29 PM (3571 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:41:24 PM (3581 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/30/2009 3:55:14 PM (3854 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:31:02 AM (3673 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:30:35 AM (3621 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/31/2009 12:36:02 PM (3538 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:42:38 PM (3592 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:44:38 PM (3545 views)

NALTEA - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 12:13:09 PM (2947 views)
Re: NALTEA - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
1/28/2009 1:05:51 PM (3684 views)
Re: NALTEA - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 9:54:56 PM (3571 views)

Buckeye Land Abstract - Sybil East/GA
1/27/2009 12:54:18 PM (3265 views)

Another NON-Payer - Kurt deVries/FL
1/27/2009 12:19:30 PM (2898 views)


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