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[+] PA people: Have you heard of these guys? - Alix Ott/MI (1 reply)
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[+] A "thank you & happy new year" to Robert! - Alix Ott/MI (4 replies)
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[+] Career Dilemma - Robert Franco/OH (3 replies)
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[+] Transtar National Title Beware - James "Lin" Toney/MS (5 replies)
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[+] Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - Rebecca Fair/FL (4 replies)
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[+] Title Examiner / Abstractor (Telecommute) - Rebecca Fair/FL (1 reply)
12/23/2008 12:34:40 PM (7405 views)

[+] Field Notes - Ellen Maher/MI (5 replies)
12/23/2008 10:34:35 AM (3993 views)

[+] Richard Bolen - Janis Talbot/SC (7 replies)
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[+] GLOBAL TITLE REPORTING SERVICES INC. - Joan Howland/CT (7 replies)
12/22/2008 10:00:45 AM (4732 views)

[+] Give this Christmas gift to your good clients/vendors! - Slade Smith/OH (3 replies)
12/22/2008 7:22:48 AM (4141 views)

[+] New York Title Abstract - Ron McPherson/IA (4 replies)
12/21/2008 8:26:40 PM (4110 views)

[+] REFERENCES ON ABG - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA (3 replies)
12/18/2008 7:10:05 PM (4157 views)

[+] Lipstick on a Pig? REVISED POSTING - . APS/NY (1 reply)
12/18/2008 4:04:54 PM (4178 views)

[+] Legacy Title (Indiana) - Barbara Bennett/IN (1 reply)
12/17/2008 7:13:52 PM (4278 views)

[-] Remove Disclaimer ??? - Glenda Hodge/TN (49 replies)
12/17/2008 6:47:39 PM (4500 views)
Hold Your Ground - Scott Perry/PA
12/17/2008 11:21:13 PM (5962 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/18/2008 9:52:15 AM (5972 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - MW/IL
12/18/2008 11:51:21 AM (5762 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/19/2008 12:53:07 PM (5567 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 10:27:28 AM (5966 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 11:20:50 AM (5586 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
12/19/2008 1:08:43 PM (5560 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 8:00:10 PM (5530 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/19/2008 1:26:48 PM (5645 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/19/2008 3:17:38 PM (5440 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/20/2008 10:01:23 PM (5320 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
12/20/2008 10:14:12 PM (5505 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:32:33 PM (5308 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Patricia Turley/MI
12/22/2008 6:34:06 AM (5538 views)
Is that really necessary? - Robert Franco/OH
12/22/2008 9:54:07 AM (5395 views)
A place for disclaimers - David Bloys/TX
12/22/2008 10:01:16 AM (5874 views)
Re: A place for disclaimers - William Pattison /CA
1/5/2009 12:33:33 PM (5463 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Nils Nelson/ME
12/22/2008 9:41:02 AM (5469 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Janis Talbot/SC
12/22/2008 10:51:09 AM (5449 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/23/2008 3:41:07 PM (5568 views)
Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:08:44 AM (5457 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/24/2008 8:44:35 AM (5301 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:29:13 PM (5165 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:21:10 PM (5204 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/24/2008 1:46:55 PM (5351 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 2:13:15 PM (5430 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - John /FL
12/25/2008 1:27:00 AM (8076 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/26/2008 10:00:55 AM (5152 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - J Nisonger/CA
12/27/2008 9:43:45 PM (5409 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Scott Perry/PA
12/28/2008 1:03:26 AM (5329 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Dan Zook/NY
12/29/2008 11:36:35 AM (5195 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Robert Franco/OH
12/29/2008 11:43:18 AM (5289 views)
Re: Your Analogy Is Flawed - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/30/2008 8:56:23 AM (5166 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - John /FL
12/24/2008 12:51:48 PM (5150 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
12/24/2008 1:25:51 PM (5260 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - James "Lin" Toney/MS
12/30/2008 7:49:56 PM (5123 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
12/31/2008 2:49:09 PM (7384 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - stephen willard/OH
1/6/2009 7:17:22 AM (5196 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/6/2009 9:34:34 AM (5338 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/6/2009 5:02:27 PM (5075 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/7/2009 3:01:26 AM (5364 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2009 12:39:23 PM (5101 views)

You bring up some good points.  It does appear that having E&O insurance makes you a "deep pocket" and may make it more likely that a client will go after you for your mistakes.  But, if you have assets (i.e., a home) you could still be sued and, without E&O, you could lose them.  We really haven't seen it happen much in the past, but with the huge losses the underwriters are facing they could start looking to collect from the abstractors who cause their losses.  The fact that the client has E&O insurance does not prevent you from getting sued.  When their E&O carrier pays the claim, they acquire subrogation rights against the abstractor and they could sue to recover their payout.  I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this, but I predict we will see it see it happen soon.

The article I posted (back in November 2004) does give the impression that the abstractor "might" have successfully limited his liability had he NOT had E&O.  (see Searcher Owes Insurer for Missed Lien) But, that is unclear.  His E&O policy was one factor the court looked at to determine whether the parties actually intended to make the disclaimer a part of their contract.  Whether or not the disclaimers are effective is not really known.  I suppose it depends a great deal on state laws.  It may work in some jurisdictions and not others.

There aren't a lot of cases out there.  First, if the abstractor carries E&O insurance the cases are often settled and you don't hear about them.  Second, if the abstractor doesn't carry E&O he may not have sufficient resources to pay a judgment and the suit is not worth pursuing.  I think the fact that many clients now require E&O, and some clients are told by their E&O carriers that they have to require that their abstractors carry E&O, shows that they are considering pursuing recourse against the abstractors.  If they start doing this, I would hate to be caught in a claims situation without coverage.  Maybe the disclaimer will hold up in court... maybe it won't.  That is not a chance I would want to take.

Ultimately, I believe that the abstractors should be liable for the losses they cause.  Perhaps if there were more suits against the abstractors, we would see many of the "fly-by-night" companies disappear.  If they had E&O, they wouldn't be able to afford it after a couple of claims, and if they didn't have it, they would not be able to afford the first claim they are hit with. 

Like I said, I know there is completely different mindset regarding E&O in New York.  I have spoken to several New York abstractors who told me that nobody carries the coverage.  We have never had to file a claim on our policy, but I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if we didn't have it.  Anyone can make a mistake and you never know when a client will decide to make an example of somebody.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/9/2009 11:50:36 PM (5091 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/10/2009 11:47:01 AM (5140 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/10/2009 1:52:55 PM (7359 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Scott Perry/PA
1/10/2009 5:35:24 PM (5358 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - michael quinn/NY
1/11/2009 1:58:20 AM (5002 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/6/2009 4:57:07 PM (4836 views)
Re: Remove Disclaimer ??? - Robert Franco/OH
1/6/2009 5:14:49 PM (4987 views)


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