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American Abstract - Constance Foye/VA
1/13/2009 10:08:02 AM (2830 views)
Re: American Abstract - Robert Franco/OH
1/13/2009 10:25:52 AM (2973 views)
Re: American Abstract - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/13/2009 10:55:51 AM (2942 views)

Fidelity Title - CHRISTIE NIELSEN/ID
1/12/2009 1:56:37 PM (2565 views)

National TitleNet - Samantha Martin/AL
1/12/2009 11:11:36 AM (2465 views)

Old Republic Title - J Allen/NC
1/9/2009 5:27:51 PM (3608 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/9/2009 9:00:43 PM (3474 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - CD/AL
1/12/2009 7:32:23 AM (3340 views)
Color me jealous! - Dan Zook/NY
1/12/2009 10:45:10 AM (3321 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - David Keeling/TX
1/12/2009 8:56:46 AM (3506 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - Jean Lurtsema/AK
1/12/2009 11:49:08 AM (3459 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - Sheila Sten/PA
1/12/2009 11:55:58 AM (3105 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - William Pattison /CA
1/12/2009 12:25:05 PM (3152 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 3:58:36 PM (3212 views)
Re: Old Republic Title - Jean Allen/NC
1/14/2009 11:19:03 AM (3113 views)

25 year searches - john rutledge/VA
1/9/2009 8:41:33 AM (3248 views)
Re: 25 year searches - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/9/2009 12:20:25 PM (3255 views)
Re: 25 year searches - martha campbell/VA
1/12/2009 7:55:56 AM (3098 views)
Re: 25 year searches - David Keeling/TX
1/12/2009 9:02:53 AM (3122 views)
Re: 25 year searches - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 11:21:10 AM (2984 views)
david keeling - Kevin Curtiss/AL
1/18/2009 9:46:13 PM (3219 views)
Re: david keeling - David Keeling/TX
1/26/2009 9:24:45 PM (2941 views)
Re: david keeling - Kevin Curtiss/AL
1/26/2009 10:20:22 PM (3201 views)
Re: 25 year searches - Jean Lurtsema/AK
1/12/2009 11:55:00 AM (2889 views)
Re: 25 year searches - Jean Lurtsema/AK
1/12/2009 11:58:44 AM (2912 views)
Re: 25 year searches - Robert Franco/OH
1/12/2009 12:19:13 PM (2987 views)
Secret Shopper - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/12/2009 12:56:53 PM (3013 views)
Re: 25 year searches - CHRISTIE NIELSEN/ID
1/12/2009 1:49:13 PM (2872 views)
Re: 25 year searches - PHILIP YIANILOS/VA
1/24/2009 11:05:14 AM (2899 views)
Re: 25 year searches - Tracy /PA
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Anyone do work for NPR Services? - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
1/8/2009 7:45:53 PM (3048 views)
Re: Anyone do work for NPR Services? - Nils Nelson/ME
1/8/2009 8:14:20 PM (3239 views)
Re: Anyone do work for NPR Services? - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
1/9/2009 3:40:15 PM (2982 views)
Re: Anyone do work for NPR Services? - David Keeling/TX
1/12/2009 9:36:07 PM (2974 views)

Data Retrieval Services - Susan McKee/WV
1/8/2009 2:52:00 PM (3114 views)
Re: Data Retrieval Services - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/8/2009 8:26:18 PM (3027 views)
Re: Data Retrieval Services - Susan McKee/WV
1/8/2009 8:53:56 PM (3178 views)

Accurate Group- PA - Patrick/NY
1/8/2009 1:39:12 PM (3100 views)
Re: Accurate Group- PA - Samantha Martin/AL
1/12/2009 11:09:01 AM (3061 views)
Re: Accurate Group- PA - Tracy/PA
1/29/2009 4:06:04 PM (2846 views)

COMPANIES NOT TO WORK FOR - Greg Paszkiewicz/NJ
1/8/2009 11:49:41 AM (3491 views)
Re: COMPANIES NOT TO WORK FOR - Jean Lurtsema/AK
1/12/2009 11:41:40 AM (3197 views)
Re: COMPANIES NOT TO WORK FOR - Michael Vernon/AZ
1/12/2009 1:18:46 PM (3259 views)

What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2009 11:17:51 AM (2995 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2009 11:39:08 AM (3102 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2009 12:12:10 PM (2993 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2009 12:49:49 PM (2905 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Kurt deVries/FL
1/8/2009 2:12:29 PM (2859 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - David Bloys/TX
1/8/2009 3:53:48 PM (2684 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2009 4:01:49 PM (2629 views)
It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2009 6:36:46 PM (2633 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Slade Smith/OH
1/8/2009 8:27:20 PM (2676 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/8/2009 11:44:54 PM (2763 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 10:41:35 AM (2735 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 11:35:59 AM (2577 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 1:04:37 PM (2698 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 1:21:48 PM (2697 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 1:48:00 PM (2563 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 2:22:17 PM (2684 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 2:31:29 PM (2637 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 2:55:15 PM (2511 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 1:37:15 PM (2534 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 2:03:22 PM (4595 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 2:45:46 PM (2593 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 2:58:45 PM (4867 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 4:32:03 PM (2648 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 11:39:16 AM (2538 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/12/2009 1:00:19 PM (2707 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/12/2009 1:21:44 PM (2652 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/12/2009 1:17:45 PM (2670 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/12/2009 2:54:57 PM (2721 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 3:29:50 PM (2819 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/12/2009 4:16:47 PM (5254 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - john franz/NJ
1/16/2009 3:02:53 PM (2667 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2009 3:07:53 PM (2707 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2009 3:09:19 PM (2611 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2009 4:10:20 PM (2777 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/12/2009 4:16:48 PM (2666 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - michael quinn/NY
1/12/2009 2:59:55 PM (2650 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 3:42:41 PM (2767 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - michael quinn/NY
1/12/2009 4:41:31 PM (2666 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Scott Perry/PA
1/9/2009 1:47:25 PM (2466 views)
Re: It's All Just Smoke & Mirrors... - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/11/2009 7:55:24 PM (2517 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Slade Smith/OH
1/8/2009 7:59:05 PM (2619 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Patrick Scott/IL
1/8/2009 8:29:46 PM (2522 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Slade Smith/OH
1/8/2009 10:10:39 PM (2601 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Robert Franco/OH
1/9/2009 10:55:16 AM (2477 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/9/2009 4:42:03 PM (2490 views)
Re: What will you do with your $10,000 Bonus? - john franz/NJ
1/12/2009 3:52:53 PM (2730 views)

What were they thinking... - Robert Franco/OH
1/8/2009 12:04:47 AM (3199 views)
Re: What were they thinking... - Deborah Manion/VA
1/8/2009 1:25:14 PM (3000 views)
Re: What were they thinking... - William Pattison /CA
1/12/2009 12:30:12 PM (2711 views)

Title Stream - Rich Martin/ME
1/7/2009 9:46:53 PM (3679 views)
Re: Title Stream - James "Lin" Toney/MS
1/7/2009 10:23:29 PM (3116 views)
Re: Title Stream - no relation to TS Associates - Dan Zook/NY
1/8/2009 11:32:26 AM (3144 views)

A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/7/2009 1:28:03 PM (3221 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/16/2009 4:16:24 PM (2898 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Robert Franco/OH
1/16/2009 4:19:36 PM (2882 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2009 4:26:05 PM (3220 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/16/2009 6:54:28 PM (2933 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Patrick Scott/IL
1/16/2009 8:32:11 PM (2930 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/16/2009 10:10:59 PM (2958 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Scott Perry/PA
1/16/2009 10:10:57 PM (2858 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/16/2009 10:11:46 PM (3076 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2009 10:40:55 AM (2951 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Robert Franco/OH
1/17/2009 12:06:43 PM (2830 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/17/2009 12:45:30 PM (2803 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
1/17/2009 8:05:14 PM (2778 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/19/2009 2:13:27 PM (2793 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Tracy/PA
1/29/2009 4:10:40 PM (2656 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
2/25/2009 11:20:50 PM (2533 views)
Re: A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
4/5/2009 8:05:01 AM (2510 views)
update A&C Abstract (Pittsburgh, PA) - Sheila Sten/PA
7/30/2009 1:51:58 PM (2413 views)

scope of search beginning date - Nathan Miller/KY
1/6/2009 7:54:26 PM (3061 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - THURBER & ASSOCIATES INC THURBER/ME
1/6/2009 9:34:28 PM (3134 views)
Start date ... - Bobbi Shorthouse, Notary Public/CT
1/7/2009 7:55:36 AM (3186 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - James "Lin" Toney/MS
1/7/2009 10:02:10 AM (3061 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - Robert Franco/OH
1/7/2009 1:43:09 PM (3073 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - Patrick Scott/IL
1/7/2009 11:06:09 PM (3148 views)

I'm in Robert's camp on this one.  I don't think there is really any need for a start date.  And, as Nathan mentioned in his original post, it could cause a recipient to question whether judgments have been searched for the proper number of years.

In my opinion, a search for open liens, whether it be a current owner, two owner, or any other limited search, should arrive at the customer showing all open liens.  This, to me, means that the abstractor searches to an acceptable point of beginning - even if it means searching back through the records of a prior owner.  It's not often around here, but we still occasionally run across an assumed mortgage. More often, I think, a mortgage recorded out of sequence.  The only exception I would place on that rule is in the event that the customer specifically requested a date to run forward.  I would then note those instructions on the search.

I am curious as to why a state's being a race-notice state would have any bearing on either your start date or your end date.  I think in most jurisdictions a lower document number would indicate priority in recording, would it not?  And, many counties, if not most or all, even stamp the time of recording on the document.  In our local counties, we use the cover date certified by the recorder.  This indicates that the recorder has posted all documents recorded up to the end of that day.  So, I guess that might be why I never have given the race-notice wrinkle any thought in that regard.  What's there is there as of the closing of the recorder's office on that given date.

As an aside, I believe that most states are now race-notice.  Illinois is one of them.  That doesn't stop the recorders in the larger counties from establishing their own recording priorities.  For example, large stacks of deeds and mortgages delivered by a title company may sit in the 'things to do eventually' basket, while a person can also walk up to the recording counter with a small number of instruments and see them recorded on the spot.  Hmmmm.

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Re: scope of search beginning date - David Keeling/TX
1/12/2009 8:57:07 PM (2698 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - Kenneth Signor/SC
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Re: scope of search beginning date - James "Lin" Toney/MS
1/12/2009 8:55:47 PM (2727 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - William Pattison /CA
1/12/2009 12:14:16 PM (2888 views)
Re: scope of search beginning date - James "Lin" Toney/MS
1/12/2009 8:58:58 PM (2670 views)

Platinum Abstracting Services - Edward Huguenin/SC
1/6/2009 5:36:15 PM (3453 views)
Re: Platinum Abstracting Services - Eric Paluselli/NC
1/8/2009 11:55:29 AM (3363 views)
Re: Platinum Abstracting Services - Edward Huguenin/SC
1/8/2009 7:46:43 PM (2930 views)
Re: Platinum Abstracting Services - David Keeling/TX
1/12/2009 9:40:50 PM (2852 views)
Re: Platinum Abstracting Services - Edward Huguenin/SC
1/13/2009 7:56:34 AM (2786 views)


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