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More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
5/13/2009 9:59:18 AM (5228 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Wanda Steudel/OH
5/13/2009 12:00:36 PM (3778 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/13/2009 3:44:12 PM (3868 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
5/13/2009 6:00:07 PM (3889 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Jean Allen/NC
5/13/2009 8:12:10 PM (3769 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
5/14/2009 9:39:42 AM (3614 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Jean Allen/NC
5/14/2009 3:51:57 PM (3673 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/14/2009 4:35:51 PM (3733 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Ron McPherson/IA
5/13/2009 9:00:29 PM (3705 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Helene /GA
5/13/2009 10:50:29 PM (3717 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
5/14/2009 9:41:30 AM (3706 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Dorothy Payne/NY
5/14/2009 12:10:40 AM (3643 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Robert Franco/OH
5/14/2009 9:42:35 AM (3587 views)
Re: More fees to advance - William Case/TN
5/14/2009 10:13:52 AM (5517 views)
Re: More fees to advance - Diane Cipa/PA
5/18/2009 11:47:00 AM (3672 views)

Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Bill Jones/NJ
5/12/2009 10:38:46 AM (9841 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Shona Dunning/WY
5/12/2009 11:10:25 AM (5069 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/12/2009 3:00:13 PM (4421 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Kim/WI
5/13/2009 9:34:44 AM (4552 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Mandy Harmon/SC
5/18/2009 3:59:54 PM (4161 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Michele  Peele/NC
5/18/2009 8:17:18 PM (4090 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - george Hubka/MI
5/18/2009 8:27:06 PM (4148 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Mike Campbell/FL
5/20/2009 3:22:01 PM (5191 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - george Hubka/MI
5/20/2009 8:51:04 PM (4247 views)
Re: Doc Hunters, Clearwater, FL - Mike Campbell/FL
4/6/2012 11:45:29 AM (5823 views)

Status - Becky Vigneault/VT
5/11/2009 9:31:54 PM (3158 views)

Carteret Title - Kristi Lee/NE
5/11/2009 11:38:32 AM (4214 views)
Re: Carteret Title - Shona Dunning/WY
5/11/2009 2:44:04 PM (3983 views)
Re: Carteret Title - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 8:57:54 PM (3845 views)
Re: Carteret Title - Jean Lurtsema/AK
5/11/2009 10:42:52 PM (4008 views)
Re: Carteret Title - Ron McPherson/IA
5/13/2009 8:36:48 PM (3837 views)

Applied Technology Resources - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
5/8/2009 6:06:33 PM (4028 views)
Re: Applied Technology Resources - Kimberly Gray/AR
5/11/2009 6:41:39 AM (3874 views)
Re: Applied Technology Resources - Mandy Harmon/SC
5/11/2009 12:44:55 PM (3867 views)
Re: Applied Technology Resources - Nils Nelson/ME
5/11/2009 8:25:00 PM (3634 views)




Woman admits taking $3.4M from SP company - George Booth/OH
5/6/2009 10:29:06 PM (4546 views)

Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/6/2009 7:12:06 PM (3936 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/6/2009 8:17:09 PM (3953 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Dan Zook/NY
5/7/2009 9:13:42 AM (3812 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:16:05 PM (3785 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - William Pattison /CA
5/28/2009 1:01:52 PM (3504 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/29/2009 9:57:09 PM (3529 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Constance Foye/VA
5/11/2009 12:35:17 PM (3924 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/12/2009 9:12:19 AM (3687 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/30/2009 8:10:43 AM (3577 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - george Hubka/MI
6/10/2009 10:57:40 PM (3505 views)

REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Frank NAVARRO/IL
5/6/2009 7:11:32 PM (13568 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:10:43 PM (4706 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Frank NAVARRO/IL
5/8/2009 6:44:57 PM (5227 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - TS/WI
5/10/2009 12:49:37 AM (4961 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/11/2009 7:58:50 AM (4523 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Jean Lurtsema/AK
5/11/2009 10:48:08 PM (4456 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
5/14/2009 8:10:20 AM (4292 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Ellen Maher/MI
6/12/2009 12:29:16 PM (4120 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
6/14/2009 10:25:40 PM (4366 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Wade Briner/MN
6/11/2009 3:44:53 PM (4306 views)

Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - Cheryl Hartzman/PA
5/4/2009 3:30:31 PM (4580 views)
Re: Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - Barbara King/VA
5/11/2009 9:46:58 AM (4005 views)
Re: Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - george Hubka/MI
5/14/2009 8:12:08 AM (3725 views)

New Clients - Mike /KS
5/3/2009 8:19:42 AM (4555 views)
Re: New Clients - monica froese/ME
5/3/2009 9:39:52 PM (4050 views)
Re: New Clients - george Hubka/MI
5/4/2009 7:54:05 AM (3960 views)
Re: New Clients - Robert Franco/OH
5/4/2009 10:50:19 AM (3904 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/4/2009 11:52:50 AM (3974 views)
Re: New Clients - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 1:31:05 PM (3840 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/7/2009 5:37:42 PM (3726 views)
Re: New Clients - Constance Foye/VA
5/12/2009 6:39:45 PM (3611 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/5/2009 8:47:15 AM (3874 views)
Re: New Clients - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/8/2009 12:25:22 AM (3754 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/8/2009 10:40:51 AM (3648 views)
Re: New Clients - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 8:44:42 AM (3628 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/11/2009 12:24:12 PM (3617 views)
Re: New Clients - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 3:41:38 PM (3623 views)
I did not post about .. - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/11/2009 4:03:12 PM (3550 views)
Re: New Clients - Joseph Weaver/VA
5/11/2009 5:27:48 PM (3632 views)
Re: New Clients - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/8/2009 12:25:26 AM (3674 views)
Re: New Clients - Jennifer Lawrence/AR
5/11/2009 8:14:51 AM (3570 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/13/2009 3:26:27 PM (3703 views)
Re: New Clients - Margaret Haddock/TN
5/11/2009 8:44:18 AM (3659 views)
Re: New Clients - Jason Knowles/AL
5/15/2009 3:36:04 PM (3622 views)
Re: New Clients - William Pattison /CA
5/28/2009 1:09:31 PM (3433 views)

Why don't we charge up front? - Patrick Ridens/CO
5/2/2009 11:34:19 PM (4790 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Chad/OR
5/3/2009 8:23:01 AM (3877 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/4/2009 8:03:35 AM (3987 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Patricia Kearney/OH
8/4/2009 9:37:45 AM (3339 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - William Case/TN
5/4/2009 3:20:41 PM (5825 views)

Greetings Patrick:

I do require payment at the time services are rendered with some clients.

If I get an order from someone with whom I have never dealt, and with whom I will probably never deal again, I tell them up front that upon my completion of their work they will be invoiced via PayPal and upon payment of the invoice I will forward my opinion of title.

Invariably three things happen next:

   1. They say that they have never done things that way before. I politely tell them that I understand, but that is how I work with new, out of town, clients.
   2. They then say that they do not have a PayPal account. I remind them that they do not need a PayPal account to pay via PayPal, and direct them to the PayPal site to learn more. They say they will look into it. I figure that half the time they are shopping around for someone else, but then...
   3. They call back and say they will pay via PayPal.

I have done this multiple times. Always with success.

When doing this it is important ...

   1. that you are polite and professional
   2. that you do not project an arrogant "take it or leave it" attitude
   3. that you are ready for their objections with the answers set out above

Since you are usually talking to someone lower on the food chain, and not the ultimate decision maker, remember to...

   1. Be kind, they are doing the best they can with the novel situation you have just presented.
   2. Adopt a helpful attitude and briefly educate him/her about PayPal so they can report back to their superiors knowledgeably.
   3. Point out that you are not requesting money up front. Remind them that they will only be billed upon completion of the work. Assure them that you are raring to go on their project as soon as they give you the word and "times a wastin."
   4. Do what you promise to do and send them the work immediately when they pay.

I do not do this with clients with whom I've developed a good working relationship, but I do monitor their payments carefully.

You take a certain amount of risk here by working without payment up front. However, if they do not pay you as agreed you simply do not send the work. It's better than submitting work that the unknown client uses then never pays you for.

Remember too that in the scenario I am describing, the client does not know you either. You at least take steps to alleviate their fears of the great unknown (namely, YOU) by not requiring payment until you at least purport to have done the work. Additionally, they have the hope of some recourse through PayPal for reimbursement of their payment should you utterly fail to deliver the product you invoiced them for.

There are two other things going for you right now that make it easier to take the PayPal approach I outline above:

   1. In the current fearful economic climate it is understandable for parties who do not know each other to deal with each other more cautiously, even if that means adopting new non-standard methods as long as those methods appear reasonable and secure.
   2. Over the years, in spite of its rather lame name, PayPal has come to symbolize security in internet payments between parties who do not know each other. It is the way to pay for goods and services on the internet. eBay saw this early on. That's why they acquired PayPal in a 1.3 billion dollar stock deal in 2002. A bit of PayPal’s image rubs off on you by using them. Guilt by association you know.

I hope this gives you some food for thought. As I said, I do not use PayPal across the board, but I use it frequently when the situation seems to call for it. It is one more tool for your tool box.

Sincerely,

David Case

wdavidcase.com

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Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/11/2009 10:01:43 AM (3583 views)

transactional funding - Chet Mazur/CA
5/2/2009 3:32:46 PM (3828 views)
Good Luck, Dude. - Patrick Scott/IL
5/2/2009 9:49:02 PM (3560 views)
Re: Good Luck, Dude. - Thomas/FL
5/7/2009 8:07:41 PM (3526 views)
Re: Good Luck, Dude. - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:37:57 PM (3400 views)

National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:11:42 PM (3841 views)
Re: National TitleNet - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:50:31 PM (3765 views)
Re: National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:59:34 PM (3696 views)

Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 12:52:19 PM (3857 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:47:37 PM (3765 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dorothy Payne/NY
5/1/2009 7:20:07 PM (3776 views)
Thank you! - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 11:12:27 AM (3502 views)

Reliant Info Source - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 10:35:01 AM (3685 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 11:19:02 AM (3721 views)
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