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American Title, inc. - Erin Carraway/NY
2/5/2009 2:39:06 PM (3169 views)
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Re: American Title, inc. - Erin Carraway/NY
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Re: American Title, inc. - Carl Ashford/CO
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Re: American Title, inc. - Sandra Morton/KS
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Re: American Title, inc. - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/5/2009 5:36:14 PM (2686 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Alix Ott/MI
2/6/2009 9:10:05 AM (2469 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/6/2009 1:54:04 PM (2549 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Wendi See/SC
2/8/2009 3:32:57 PM (2493 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - george Hubka/MI
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Re: American Title, inc. - Michael Vernon/AZ
2/9/2009 12:33:38 PM (2458 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - American Title/NE
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ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 11:57:53 AM (2956 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Cindy Thomas/NY
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Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Constance Foye/VA
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Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Greg Paszkiewicz/NJ
2/23/2009 12:47:32 PM (2136 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 5:52:35 PM (2070 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Smitty Strickland/SC
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nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/5/2009 8:59:26 AM (3235 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Jessica Talley/NJ
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/5/2009 3:22:23 PM (2527 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/9/2009 2:44:32 PM (2539 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 2:52:37 PM (2411 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/9/2009 3:15:32 PM (2343 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - cindy thomas/NY
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - nXt Generation Title Services, LLC/FL
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Clanci Nelson/OH
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Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Clanci Nelson/OH
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mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:48:02 PM (2951 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 3:51:15 PM (2307 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:56:52 PM (2312 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 4:00:55 PM (2165 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/8/2009 4:18:20 PM (2127 views)

Off the beaten path - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:36:52 PM (2863 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/3/2009 11:31:49 PM (2316 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Patrick Scott/IL
2/4/2009 12:01:44 AM (2306 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 12:55:17 AM (2346 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 10:42:36 AM (2326 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:52:16 AM (2316 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:18:23 AM (2154 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:48:33 PM (2263 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 7:43:44 PM (4725 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:09:45 AM (2046 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 11:53:54 AM (2066 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 12:44:49 PM (2024 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 1:51:09 PM (2030 views)
Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 1:09:11 PM (2243 views)

Scott,

Your answers are really not supporting your position.

First, the fact that only "new items" would be subject to the tax is just another reason why a national sales tax would not work.  To take a look at an industry already stuggling, the auto industry, your plan would make our current economic situation even worse.  The government is already trying to provide tax credits for purchasing automobiles.  If only new autos are taxes under your plan, who would not opt to buy a used car when the savings would be 30% MORE?  Your plan would drive up the used car prices and still not address the underlying problem we are currently facing - nobody is buying new cars. If people don't buy new items because they are 30% more than used items, the economy would suffer drastically.  And, it would hurt the people with less money who would be paying more for used cars.  This holds true of any goods - not just cars.

Second, you don't seem concerned that burgleries and theft woudl increase dramatically.  The criminals you say would begin paying tax on their toys assumes they would buy these items new... fact is they are criminals and they would steal them - and have even a new source of revenue on the black market.  The increase cost of crime on society would be huge.... higher insurance prices for all of us, and higher prices on all goods to make up for losses caused by theft.

Third, your explanation of the effect on those with Roth IRAs is not really an answer.  The fact is that these people paid the income tax on that money already and they would be paying a 30% tax on that money again when they draw the money out to spend it.  That doesn't seem very fair for something called the "Fair Tax."  Sure, they would pay some taxes anyway... but nothing near the 30% you want to charge them.

Fourth, you seem to think that the rich are stupid and they will continue to spend lavishly in the face of a 30% national sales tax.  Quite arguably, the rich became rich by saving and spending wisely.  If they can buy used porsches, yachts, and jets, they will do so.  And, don't forget that the most coveted items among the rich, antiques and artwork, are all by their very nature "used items" that, according to you, will not be taxed.  The rich will simply change their spending habits to take the best advantage of your plan.  They won't be the cash cow that you imagine them to be.

Fifth, you seem to miss the point regarding the overall effect on the economy.  There is a big difference between the current income tax and your plan.  In a recession, we need consumer spending to create jobs and economic growth.  With your plan, there is an incentive to save, not spend, which is especially true in poor economic times.  How do you spur the economy with a national sales tax?  You need consumer spending, but have tax system that penalizes those who spend.

Sixth, you didn't address the major flaw in the "Fair Tax"... it is NOT fair.  It will cost the middle class MORE in taxes.  The graduated income tax provides a lower rate on the first dollars earned.  It starts at only 10% and gradually rises to about 36%.  With a national sales tax, those who make between $30,000 and $200,000 will be paying 30% on every dollar they spend, since most in that category spend all of their income, they will be paying the maximum amount from the beginning and they lose out of the beneftis of the lower rates provided by the graduated income tax.

Those who can save - will save.  Those who can't save will shoulder the majority of the tax burden in this country.  The rich will get richer, the middle class will get poorer, and the poor won't pay taxes in either tax system.

You seem to have bought into the hype that a consumption tax is a "fair" tax... just because someone decided to call it the "Fair Tax" doesn't change the nature of it.  It is not inherently any more fair than the graduated income tax - it is a consumption tax that hits hardest those who consume the most as a percentage of their income.  Since those with lower incomes spend the largest percent of their incomes, they will be the real losers under your plan.

And you are really wrong when it comes to which provides the more stabile base - that is certainly not a consumption tax.  In lean times, it is easy to cut back on spending - or at least to cut back on spending on "new items," which you claim will be the only category of goods to be taxed.  Thus, the nation would suffer from decreased revenue when it needs it the most.

We could argue this forever... but the simple fact is that the majority of economists and politicians do not consider the consumption tax to be a viable alternative.  It will not happen. As I have said, if we were to try, we would end up trying to phase in a consumption tax and the income tax would never go away - we would have both.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Still makes no sense.... - Scott Perry/PA
2/10/2009 3:26:30 AM (2054 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/10/2009 9:59:16 AM (2024 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
2/11/2009 1:07:54 PM (1962 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/11/2009 1:43:23 PM (1933 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/11/2009 4:48:23 PM (1953 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/12/2009 12:46:38 AM (1902 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Douglas Gallant/OH
2/11/2009 5:06:23 PM (1958 views)
As I Was Saying... - Scott Perry/PA
2/16/2009 12:14:21 AM (1912 views)
Re: As I Was Saying... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 11:56:29 AM (1993 views)
Re: Commercial Activity Tax... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 3:04:27 PM (4452 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/6/2009 4:45:51 PM (2171 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/6/2009 6:17:30 AM (2001 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:03:24 AM (2013 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
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Re: Off the beaten path - Barbara Bennett/IN
2/4/2009 3:28:50 PM (1944 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:21:39 AM (2057 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:25:01 PM (2191 views)




reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:20:18 PM (2724 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
2/3/2009 2:25:20 PM (2489 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michelle/IL
2/4/2009 1:18:59 PM (2115 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
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Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/6/2009 12:52:40 PM (2124 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 3:56:45 PM (2038 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:18:17 PM (1873 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/17/2009 9:17:45 AM (1981 views)

Title Assurance & Indemnity Corp. of NA Cleveland, OH - MIchael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:01:36 PM (2113 views)

The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/1/2009 8:20:52 AM (3160 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/1/2009 6:37:04 PM (2277 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Janis Talbot/SC
2/2/2009 9:11:46 AM (2488 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/2/2009 8:34:15 PM (2263 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/3/2009 7:10:57 AM (2209 views)

What is considered slow pay? - no name/MI
1/30/2009 12:50:38 PM (2739 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:59:33 PM (2321 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 1:33:34 PM (2460 views)

Probate Question - Helene /GA
1/29/2009 11:50:27 PM (2643 views)
Re: Probate Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 6:52:39 AM (2338 views)
Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 9:28:41 AM (2452 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:01:35 AM (2189 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 10:25:15 AM (2123 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:49:36 AM (2139 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Helene /GA
1/30/2009 10:38:14 PM (2251 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Douglas Gallant/OH
1/31/2009 8:27:20 AM (2182 views)

Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:53:59 PM (4251 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 11:22:02 PM (2532 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 11:58:37 PM (2373 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 8:07:42 AM (2501 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:15:04 AM (2475 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:16:02 AM (2429 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Alix Ott/MI
2/2/2009 2:10:27 PM (2202 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 8:46:02 AM (2348 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:55:40 PM (2273 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - michael quinn/NY
2/1/2009 1:09:50 AM (2209 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/1/2009 6:01:27 AM (2279 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - WAYNE QUICK/NC
2/2/2009 6:16:26 PM (2205 views)

The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 2:56:14 PM (2907 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Kim Cowles/WI
1/29/2009 2:59:08 PM (2398 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 3:48:35 PM (2315 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/29/2009 6:58:44 PM (2268 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Barbara Kelley/PA
2/2/2009 8:50:30 AM (2216 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Robert Franco/OH
2/2/2009 9:33:45 AM (2371 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:43:16 PM (2303 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Anthony Joseph/TX
2/4/2009 8:22:07 AM (2412 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 6:04:15 AM (1939 views)

MONEY OWED - quinn cioffi/PA
1/28/2009 2:38:15 PM (2932 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - Laurie E/MD
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Re: MONEY OWED - george Hubka/MI
2/24/2009 6:51:47 PM (1898 views)

New Real Estate Numbers Are Out - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 2:25:36 PM (3719 views)

Snow Day! - Robert Franco/OH
1/28/2009 12:39:37 PM (2625 views)
Re: Snow Day! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/28/2009 12:45:16 PM (2279 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Nils Nelson/ME
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Re: Snow Day! - Joanie Hahr/VT
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Re: Snow Day! - Glenda Hodge/TN
1/28/2009 11:14:51 PM (2166 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/29/2009 2:39:41 PM (2073 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/29/2009 3:36:29 PM (2104 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:41:24 PM (2256 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/30/2009 3:55:14 PM (2411 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:31:02 AM (2246 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:30:35 AM (2227 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/31/2009 12:36:02 PM (2126 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:42:38 PM (2206 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:44:38 PM (2143 views)


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