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American Title, inc. - Erin Carraway/NY
2/5/2009 2:39:06 PM (3169 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
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Re: American Title, inc. - Erin Carraway/NY
2/5/2009 3:11:46 PM (2590 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Carl Ashford/CO
2/5/2009 4:27:55 PM (2662 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Sandra Morton/KS
2/7/2009 4:03:28 PM (2528 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/5/2009 5:36:14 PM (2686 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Alix Ott/MI
2/6/2009 9:10:05 AM (2469 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/6/2009 1:54:04 PM (2549 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Wendi See/SC
2/8/2009 3:32:57 PM (2493 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 6:00:48 AM (2187 views)
Re: American Title, inc. - Michael Vernon/AZ
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Re: American Title, inc. - American Title/NE
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ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 11:57:53 AM (2956 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Cindy Thomas/NY
2/6/2009 2:52:47 PM (2437 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Constance Foye/VA
2/11/2009 7:03:22 PM (2177 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Greg Paszkiewicz/NJ
2/23/2009 12:47:32 PM (2136 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 5:52:35 PM (2070 views)
Re: ARROW ABSTRACT OF NEW YORK, INC. - Smitty Strickland/SC
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nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/5/2009 8:59:26 AM (3235 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/5/2009 10:47:19 AM (5402 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Jessica Talley/NJ
2/5/2009 2:22:14 PM (2502 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/5/2009 3:22:23 PM (2527 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/9/2009 2:44:32 PM (2539 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 2:52:37 PM (2412 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/9/2009 3:15:32 PM (2344 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - cindy thomas/NY
2/9/2009 5:02:31 PM (4780 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - nXt Generation Title Services, LLC/FL
2/10/2009 10:52:31 AM (2401 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Dan Zook/NY
2/10/2009 12:58:43 PM (2445 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:42:56 PM (2331 views)
Re: nXt Generation Title Services, LLC - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:20:01 PM (2171 views)

mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:48:02 PM (2951 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 3:51:15 PM (2307 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/4/2009 3:56:52 PM (2312 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 4:00:55 PM (2166 views)
Re: mortgage fraud - Sheila Sten/PA
2/8/2009 4:18:20 PM (2128 views)

Off the beaten path - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:36:52 PM (2863 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/3/2009 11:31:49 PM (2316 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Patrick Scott/IL
2/4/2009 12:01:44 AM (2306 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 12:55:17 AM (2346 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 10:42:36 AM (2326 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:52:16 AM (2316 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:18:23 AM (2154 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:48:33 PM (2263 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/5/2009 7:43:44 PM (4725 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:09:45 AM (2047 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 11:53:54 AM (2066 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 12:44:49 PM (2025 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/6/2009 1:51:09 PM (2031 views)
Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/9/2009 1:09:11 PM (2244 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Scott Perry/PA
2/10/2009 3:26:30 AM (2055 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/10/2009 9:59:16 AM (2025 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Debbie Thibodeaux/LA
2/11/2009 1:07:54 PM (1962 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/11/2009 1:43:23 PM (1933 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/11/2009 4:48:23 PM (1953 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Robert Franco/OH
2/12/2009 12:46:38 AM (1903 views)
Re: Still makes no sense.... - Douglas Gallant/OH
2/11/2009 5:06:23 PM (1959 views)
As I Was Saying... - Scott Perry/PA
2/16/2009 12:14:21 AM (1913 views)
Re: As I Was Saying... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 11:56:29 AM (1994 views)
Re: Commercial Activity Tax... - Robert Franco/OH
2/16/2009 3:04:27 PM (4453 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/6/2009 4:45:51 PM (2171 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/6/2009 6:17:30 AM (2001 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/6/2009 10:03:24 AM (2013 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 10:47:54 AM (2182 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Robert Franco/OH
2/4/2009 11:06:18 AM (2095 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:10:33 AM (1996 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Scott Perry/PA
2/4/2009 11:31:26 AM (2069 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:59:28 AM (2129 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Barbara Bennett/IN
2/4/2009 3:28:50 PM (1944 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/4/2009 11:21:39 AM (2057 views)
Re: Off the beaten path - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/5/2009 4:25:01 PM (2192 views)




reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:20:18 PM (2724 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
2/3/2009 2:25:20 PM (2490 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michelle/IL
2/4/2009 1:18:59 PM (2116 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/5/2009 10:00:22 PM (2166 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Michael Lanin/KY
2/6/2009 12:52:40 PM (2125 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - J Nisonger/CA
2/7/2009 3:56:45 PM (2039 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - Clanci Nelson/OH
2/12/2009 2:18:17 PM (1874 views)
Re: reporting non-paying title companies to the underwriters - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
2/17/2009 9:17:45 AM (1981 views)

Title Assurance & Indemnity Corp. of NA Cleveland, OH - MIchael Lanin/KY
2/3/2009 1:01:36 PM (2113 views)

The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/1/2009 8:20:52 AM (3160 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/1/2009 6:37:04 PM (2277 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Janis Talbot/SC
2/2/2009 9:11:46 AM (2488 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Wendi See/SC
2/2/2009 8:34:15 PM (2263 views)
Re: The Law Firm of Crystal Lowery - Edward Huguenin/SC
2/3/2009 7:10:57 AM (2210 views)

What is considered slow pay? - no name/MI
1/30/2009 12:50:38 PM (2739 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:59:33 PM (2321 views)
Re: What is considered slow pay? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 1:33:34 PM (2461 views)

Probate Question - Helene /GA
1/29/2009 11:50:27 PM (2643 views)
Re: Probate Question - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 6:52:39 AM (2338 views)
Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 9:28:41 AM (2452 views)

Ah... an excellent question that seemed so irrelevant when we studied this stuff in Property class a few years ago.  We just don't see this kind of odd-ball stuff very often.

I think that this might be a shifting executory interest, rather than a sprining executory interest.  But, I guess that would depend on how the conveyance is worded (it doesn't seem very clear to me).  A springing executory interest cuts short the grantor's interest, if a third party interest gets cut short, it is a shifting executory interest.  In this case, I get the impression that the title was conveyed to "M, but when J reaches the age of 25, then to J."  In that case, I believe that M has a fee simple interest subject to a condition subsequent - J attaining the age of 25 - and J. has a shifting executory interest, since if the condition is met it cuts short the interst of a third party, M. 

I believe that if J dies before reaching the age of 25, the executory interest terminates and M would have good title with no condition subsequent.  I think from an underwriting perspective, I would prefer to see an affidavit with an attached death certificate for J.  I don't think there would be a problem if there was something in the chain of title that clearly showed J's death before reaching the age of 25.

But, like Kevin said... this is pretty complicated and the best you can do is report your findings and let your client decide how to handle it.  It will depend on exactly how the conveyance was termed in the will.

What do you think, Kevin?  Am I understanding this well enough to pass the bar exam in July?

And, thank you so much Helene for posting such a wonderful question!  These are the kinds of topics I think we should be dicussing much more often on the forums.  We can all learn a lot from these types of exchanges.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:01:35 AM (2189 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Robert Franco/OH
1/30/2009 10:25:15 AM (2124 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 10:49:36 AM (2139 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Helene /GA
1/30/2009 10:38:14 PM (2252 views)
Re: Maybe a shifting executory interest... - Douglas Gallant/OH
1/31/2009 8:27:20 AM (2183 views)

Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:53:59 PM (4251 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 11:22:02 PM (2533 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 11:58:37 PM (2374 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 8:07:42 AM (2501 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:15:04 AM (2477 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/30/2009 8:16:02 AM (2430 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Alix Ott/MI
2/2/2009 2:10:27 PM (2202 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/30/2009 8:46:02 AM (2348 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/30/2009 12:55:40 PM (2274 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - michael quinn/NY
2/1/2009 1:09:50 AM (2209 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - Kevin Ahern/CT
2/1/2009 6:01:27 AM (2279 views)
Re: Preview of Coming Attractions? - WAYNE QUICK/NC
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The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 2:56:14 PM (2907 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Kim Cowles/WI
1/29/2009 2:59:08 PM (2399 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/29/2009 3:48:35 PM (2315 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Jessica Talley/NJ
1/29/2009 6:58:44 PM (2268 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Barbara Kelley/PA
2/2/2009 8:50:30 AM (2217 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Robert Franco/OH
2/2/2009 9:33:45 AM (2372 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
2/3/2009 10:43:16 PM (2304 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - Anthony Joseph/TX
2/4/2009 8:22:07 AM (2412 views)
Re: The Bankruptcy Club - george Hubka/MI
2/25/2009 6:04:15 AM (1940 views)

MONEY OWED - quinn cioffi/PA
1/28/2009 2:38:15 PM (2932 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - Laurie E/MD
1/28/2009 6:04:33 PM (2203 views)
Re: MONEY OWED - george Hubka/MI
2/24/2009 6:51:47 PM (1899 views)

New Real Estate Numbers Are Out - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
1/28/2009 2:25:36 PM (3719 views)

Snow Day! - Robert Franco/OH
1/28/2009 12:39:37 PM (2625 views)
Re: Snow Day! - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
1/28/2009 12:45:16 PM (2280 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Nils Nelson/ME
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Re: Snow Day! - Joanie Hahr/VT
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Re: Snow Day! - Glenda Hodge/TN
1/28/2009 11:14:51 PM (2167 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/29/2009 2:39:41 PM (2074 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/29/2009 3:36:29 PM (2105 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/29/2009 10:41:24 PM (2256 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Clanci Nelson/OH
1/30/2009 3:55:14 PM (2412 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:31:02 AM (2247 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Sheila Sten/PA
1/31/2009 10:30:35 AM (2227 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Kevin Ahern/CT
1/31/2009 12:36:02 PM (2127 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:42:38 PM (2206 views)
Re: Snow Day! - Scott Perry/PA
1/31/2009 3:44:38 PM (2144 views)


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