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Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/6/2009 7:12:06 PM (3793 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Re: Pet Peeves - Dan Zook/NY
5/7/2009 9:13:42 AM (3431 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:16:05 PM (3414 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - William Pattison /CA
5/28/2009 1:01:52 PM (3117 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/29/2009 9:57:09 PM (3103 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Constance Foye/VA
5/11/2009 12:35:17 PM (3530 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - Jean Allen/NC
5/12/2009 9:12:19 AM (3320 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
5/30/2009 8:10:43 AM (3181 views)
Re: Pet Peeves - george Hubka/MI
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REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Frank NAVARRO/IL
5/6/2009 7:11:32 PM (13347 views)
Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
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Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Frank NAVARRO/IL
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Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - TS/WI
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Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
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Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Jean Lurtsema/AK
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Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
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Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Ellen Maher/MI
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Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - george Hubka/MI
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Re: REAL SOURCE TITLE - CLOSED - Wade Briner/MN
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Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - Cheryl Hartzman/PA
5/4/2009 3:30:31 PM (4391 views)
Re: Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - Barbara King/VA
5/11/2009 9:46:58 AM (3602 views)
Re: Fidelity/Lawyer/Commonwelath Illegal Breach of Contract - george Hubka/MI
5/14/2009 8:12:08 AM (3396 views)

New Clients - Mike /KS
5/3/2009 8:19:42 AM (4441 views)
Re: New Clients - monica froese/ME
5/3/2009 9:39:52 PM (3689 views)
Re: New Clients - george Hubka/MI
5/4/2009 7:54:05 AM (3611 views)
Re: New Clients - Robert Franco/OH
5/4/2009 10:50:19 AM (3550 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/4/2009 11:52:50 AM (3618 views)
Re: New Clients - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 1:31:05 PM (3496 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/7/2009 5:37:42 PM (3382 views)
Re: New Clients - Constance Foye/VA
5/12/2009 6:39:45 PM (3271 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/5/2009 8:47:15 AM (3524 views)
Re: New Clients - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/8/2009 12:25:22 AM (3412 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/8/2009 10:40:51 AM (3307 views)
Re: New Clients - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 8:44:42 AM (3265 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/11/2009 12:24:12 PM (3253 views)
Re: New Clients - martha campbell/VA
5/11/2009 3:41:38 PM (3281 views)
I did not post about .. - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/11/2009 4:03:12 PM (3208 views)
Re: New Clients - Joseph Weaver/VA
5/11/2009 5:27:48 PM (3297 views)
Re: New Clients - Barbara Bennett/IN
5/8/2009 12:25:26 AM (3332 views)
Re: New Clients - Jennifer Lawrence/AR
5/11/2009 8:14:51 AM (3236 views)
Re: New Clients - Jessica Talley/NJ
5/13/2009 3:26:27 PM (3347 views)
Re: New Clients - Margaret Haddock/TN
5/11/2009 8:44:18 AM (3294 views)
Re: New Clients - Jason Knowles/AL
5/15/2009 3:36:04 PM (3265 views)
Re: New Clients - William Pattison /CA
5/28/2009 1:09:31 PM (3068 views)

Why don't we charge up front? - Patrick Ridens/CO
5/2/2009 11:34:19 PM (4613 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Chad/OR
5/3/2009 8:23:01 AM (3537 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/4/2009 8:03:35 AM (3623 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Patricia Kearney/OH
8/4/2009 9:37:45 AM (3020 views)
Re: Why don't we charge up front? - William Case/TN
5/4/2009 3:20:41 PM (5454 views)

Greetings Patrick:

I do require payment at the time services are rendered with some clients.

If I get an order from someone with whom I have never dealt, and with whom I will probably never deal again, I tell them up front that upon my completion of their work they will be invoiced via PayPal and upon payment of the invoice I will forward my opinion of title.

Invariably three things happen next:

   1. They say that they have never done things that way before. I politely tell them that I understand, but that is how I work with new, out of town, clients.
   2. They then say that they do not have a PayPal account. I remind them that they do not need a PayPal account to pay via PayPal, and direct them to the PayPal site to learn more. They say they will look into it. I figure that half the time they are shopping around for someone else, but then...
   3. They call back and say they will pay via PayPal.

I have done this multiple times. Always with success.

When doing this it is important ...

   1. that you are polite and professional
   2. that you do not project an arrogant "take it or leave it" attitude
   3. that you are ready for their objections with the answers set out above

Since you are usually talking to someone lower on the food chain, and not the ultimate decision maker, remember to...

   1. Be kind, they are doing the best they can with the novel situation you have just presented.
   2. Adopt a helpful attitude and briefly educate him/her about PayPal so they can report back to their superiors knowledgeably.
   3. Point out that you are not requesting money up front. Remind them that they will only be billed upon completion of the work. Assure them that you are raring to go on their project as soon as they give you the word and "times a wastin."
   4. Do what you promise to do and send them the work immediately when they pay.

I do not do this with clients with whom I've developed a good working relationship, but I do monitor their payments carefully.

You take a certain amount of risk here by working without payment up front. However, if they do not pay you as agreed you simply do not send the work. It's better than submitting work that the unknown client uses then never pays you for.

Remember too that in the scenario I am describing, the client does not know you either. You at least take steps to alleviate their fears of the great unknown (namely, YOU) by not requiring payment until you at least purport to have done the work. Additionally, they have the hope of some recourse through PayPal for reimbursement of their payment should you utterly fail to deliver the product you invoiced them for.

There are two other things going for you right now that make it easier to take the PayPal approach I outline above:

   1. In the current fearful economic climate it is understandable for parties who do not know each other to deal with each other more cautiously, even if that means adopting new non-standard methods as long as those methods appear reasonable and secure.
   2. Over the years, in spite of its rather lame name, PayPal has come to symbolize security in internet payments between parties who do not know each other. It is the way to pay for goods and services on the internet. eBay saw this early on. That's why they acquired PayPal in a 1.3 billion dollar stock deal in 2002. A bit of PayPal’s image rubs off on you by using them. Guilt by association you know.

I hope this gives you some food for thought. As I said, I do not use PayPal across the board, but I use it frequently when the situation seems to call for it. It is one more tool for your tool box.

Sincerely,

David Case

wdavidcase.com

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Re: Why don't we charge up front? - Alix Ott/MI
5/11/2009 10:01:43 AM (3268 views)


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transactional funding - Chet Mazur/CA
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Good Luck, Dude. - Patrick Scott/IL
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Re: Good Luck, Dude. - Thomas/FL
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Re: Good Luck, Dude. - george Hubka/MI
5/8/2009 6:37:57 PM (3099 views)

National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
5/1/2009 6:11:42 PM (3723 views)
Re: National TitleNet - Nils Nelson/ME
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Re: National TitleNet - ANTHONY MUZIO/NY
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Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 12:52:19 PM (3715 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 6:47:37 PM (3451 views)
Re: Reliance Information Source (sorry) - Dorothy Payne/NY
5/1/2009 7:20:07 PM (3432 views)
Thank you! - Dan Zook/NY
5/4/2009 11:12:27 AM (3190 views)

Reliant Info Source - Dan Zook/NY
5/1/2009 10:35:01 AM (3507 views)
Re: Reliant Info Source - Nils Nelson/ME
5/1/2009 11:19:02 AM (3399 views)
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Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Edward Huguenin/SC
4/29/2009 8:02:03 PM (4081 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Leigh Rampey/SC
4/30/2009 8:10:23 AM (3643 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - Edward Huguenin/SC
7/19/2009 1:05:20 PM (3053 views)
Re: Back Forty Abstracts, LLC (Belton, SC) - george Hubka/MI
8/9/2009 10:28:53 PM (3136 views)

forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/27/2009 3:06:02 PM (5927 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Patrick Scott/IL
4/27/2009 10:26:47 PM (3357 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/28/2009 11:56:52 AM (3358 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Patrick Scott/IL
4/28/2009 12:34:18 PM (3242 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/29/2009 1:08:58 PM (3188 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2009 2:41:30 PM (3273 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Diane Cipa/PA
4/29/2009 3:38:14 PM (3305 views)
Re: forgiving payment for services rendered in PA not a good idea - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2009 4:16:37 PM (3314 views)

NALTEA Certified Abstractor Seminar - Jeanine Johnson/MN
4/27/2009 12:05:36 PM (4794 views)

Info on Pro Title USA - george Hubka/MI
4/26/2009 3:21:45 PM (15610 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Lance Whitmore/MN
4/27/2009 8:19:34 AM (8600 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Sean  Barrett /RI
4/27/2009 8:41:07 AM (5288 views)
Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Kurt deVries/FL
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Re: Info on Pro Title USA - george Hubka/MI
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Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Bill Jones/NJ
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Re: Info on Pro Title USA - Michele  Peele/NC
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Ameristar Payment - jess barker/IL
4/25/2009 10:19:04 AM (4970 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Nils Nelson/ME
4/26/2009 10:47:34 PM (3870 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Susan/WI
4/27/2009 9:07:12 AM (3744 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Alix Ott/MI
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Re: Ameristar Payment - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/27/2009 11:59:21 AM (3531 views)
Re: Ameristar Payment - Deanna Clayton/VA
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Re: Ameristar Payment - Stephen Williams/MO
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Re: Ameristar Payment - Jean Lurtsema/AK
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Visionet Systems - Carl Ashford/CO
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