Register
Log In
Forget your Password?

Home
Directory
Bulletins
Forums
Blogs
Articles
Links
Classifieds
About Us
Contact Us
Advertise
FAQ
Privacy Policy


Discussion
<< get older messagesget newer messages >>
to post a message: login - or - register | search messages | show all replies



[+] Unied States Title Corp Knoxville TN - Louise Jackson/SC (6 replies)
9/10/2009 9:12:43 AM (4749 views)

[+] MSNi - Constance Foye/VA (3 replies)
9/9/2009 9:04:37 PM (4507 views)

[+] Pro-Search, Inc. - Susan McKee/WV (1 reply)
9/9/2009 10:51:23 AM (4296 views)

[+] ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Cheryl Hartzman/PA (5 replies)
9/4/2009 2:41:01 PM (5418 views)

J&L in TX - LAWANDA  MCMILLIAN/AR
9/3/2009 9:34:26 PM (3078 views)


Real Title Services


[+] Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY (5 replies)
9/3/2009 1:07:29 PM (3657 views)

[-] Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL (21 replies)
9/3/2009 1:03:46 AM (3868 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/10/2009 3:53:48 PM (4515 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/15/2009 2:24:40 PM (4520 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/17/2009 1:54:39 PM (5877 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/17/2009 4:24:02 PM (4431 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/17/2009 7:58:09 PM (4524 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/18/2009 1:18:49 AM (4574 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 9:27:37 AM (4361 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 4:59:39 PM (4403 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 6:51:17 PM (4334 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 8:57:45 PM (4434 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/19/2009 11:59:07 PM (4379 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2009 12:11:37 PM (4417 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:11:33 PM (4470 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:08:37 PM (4455 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 12:35:50 PM (4341 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/18/2009 1:24:49 AM (4397 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:50:13 PM (4467 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2009 2:08:51 PM (4640 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/22/2009 12:30:13 PM (4688 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/22/2009 1:18:21 PM (4483 views)

Yes... probably best to let it drop.  If you want to get involved in these types of transactions, go for it.  I'm not telling you what to do.  I'm just saying that, from a title agents perspective, it is a land flip that most knowledgeable title agents will not want to get involved with.

You clearly do not understand there is substantively no difference between B using the proceeds from C to buy property from A... AND... B borrowing money from YOU to buy the property from A with the requirement that the proceeds from the sale to C must be used to pay YOU.  Clearly, with that kind of requirement the A/B transaction is dependent upon the B/C transaction.  The A/B transaction cannot stand alone because you wouldn't loan the money without the B/C transaction already lined up and ready to go.

You need to re-read your post:

The agreement is that this money is used to fund the A-B and then paid back plus fee in the B-C transaction.  If the B-C transaction falls apart for some reason, the title company nullifies the A-B.

"If the B/C transaction falls apart - the title company nullifies the A/B transaction" - This does not describe a "stand alone transaction."  The A/B transaction necessarily depends on the B/C transaction!  A title agent would have to be nuts to agree to close that transaction.  It is clearly a land flip with all of the badges of fraud that land agents in the middle of federal investigations.  It is precisely the type of transaction that we are trained to spot and avoid. 

You clearly have a dollar signs blinding your vision - you want to loan someone money with a large fee FOR ONE DAY!  Like most get-rich-quick schemes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 

Clanci was clearly correct, you are taking her statement out of context.  Though, perhaps what she should have said in response to your comment ("no one here has experience...and some people have irrational fears") was "It is not fear that prevents us from not doing these transactions, nor is it a lack of experience.  It is past experiences and the laws that govern our business that we follow.”

I don't know how I could make this any more clear... you just don't want to understand.  Clearly you recognize that "each closing has to stand on it's own."  Then you want to contractually obligate the title agent to "nullify" the first transaction if the second deal falls through.  By your own words, the first transaction is dependent on the second transaction, i.e., it does not stand alone.  Your contract would make the title agent a party to a land flip.  Any agent worth his salt would send you packing.

You said:

I didn't really ask for your opinion, I asked for facts about the title business.  But you guys are having difficulty getting the basic facts of my question straight.

You got what you asked for... "My question is just about the details of this contract between the Title Co and the Trans Lender. How is this done exactly?"  You were told that the way you want to structure this deal meets the definition of a land flip and our professional opinion is that we would not get involved.  It is you that does not understand the "basic facts" of your question.  The facts you presented contemplate that the A/B transaction cannot stand alone, yet you insist that it is a stand alone transaction.  You can't have it both ways!    If the A/B transaction is "nullified" if the B/C transaction falls through, it does not stand alone no matter how many times you call it "a stand alone transaction!" 

I'm sorry you didn't like the answer you got.  You are free to go elsewhere and seek other opinions.  Sooner or later you will find someone who doesn't understand land flips and you will get a more favorable response.  Just don't say you weren't warned.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
SOURCE OF TITLE

to post a reply: login - or - register


Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/12/2009 12:28:55 PM (4543 views)

[+] selling searches - edward hartung/OH (8 replies)
8/31/2009 11:04:12 PM (4100 views)

new client, trust title - WAYNE QUICK/NC
8/31/2009 6:54:42 PM (3631 views)

[+] Cleary Title - Robin Ramberg/MI (1 reply)
8/30/2009 8:32:56 PM (4856 views)

[+] Abstractor Fees - Tena Grice/TX (4 replies)
8/28/2009 11:40:47 PM (7041 views)

SOT maintenance notice - Slade Smith/OH
8/28/2009 1:45:08 PM (3239 views)

[+] Abstractor Watchdog - Nils Nelson/ME (3 replies)
8/27/2009 6:32:24 PM (4337 views)

[+] Service 1st Valuation and Settlement Services - VIVIAN SLYKER/OH (1 reply)
8/25/2009 3:16:23 PM (4452 views)

[+] Payment - Jana Urban-Buzek/OH (1 reply)
8/25/2009 12:15:50 PM (4113 views)


<< get older messagesget newer messages >>

DISCLAIMER: These Message Forums are un-moderated and Source of Title does not endorse the content of any of the posts. Source of Title discourages libelous comments and you, as the sole creator of the content, take full responsibility for your remarks.
Directory

The Source of Title Business directory has 8961 listed companies.

Leave feedback on a company:
SOT ID #:  learn more...
DRN Title Search
Blogs

Read other users' blogs-- or start your own!

Most Recent Blog Posts:

AI Isn’t “Coming Soon” - It’s Already Here (and Working)
Michael Gigliotti's Blog
2025/09/16
0 comments

U.S. Housing Market Hits 30-Year Low in Home Sales: Causes and Consequences
Marissa Berends's Blog
2025/09/08
0 comments

Understanding Mineral Rights and the Importance of Trained Mineral Researchers
Marissa Berends's Blog
2025/09/05
0 comments

Articles

Source of Title articles help to keep you informed on the state of the title industry.

Commercial and Multifamily Mortgage Delinquency Rates Increased in Second-Quarter 2025
“The delinquency rate for commercial mortgages increased in the second quarter of 2025 across most major capital s...
MISMO Publishes Updated Charge and Fee Naming Guide for Industry Use
“The Naming Guide empowers lenders to deliver a more transparent, efficient, and compliant mortgage experience for...
Holland & Knight Files Amicus Brief on Behalf of American Land Title Association Contesting AML Regulations for Residential Real Estate Transactions
ALTA, the national voice of the title insurance and settlement services industry, has approximately 5,700 company member...
Mortgage Application Payments Increased in Latest MBA Weekly Survey
“Mortgage rates declined for the second consecutive week as Treasury yields moved lower on data indicating that th...
NAHB Calls on Congress to Protect Energy Choice
The National Association of Home Builders today called on Congress to help ease the housing affordability crisis by supp...

Search Articles:
browse...

Classifieds

Buy, sell, or trade! Browse the ads or post your own!

© 2020, Source of Title.