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Pro-Search, Inc. - Susan McKee/WV
9/9/2009 10:51:23 AM (4060 views)
Re: Pro-Search, Inc. - Elizabeth Helman/PA
9/12/2009 9:22:14 PM (4649 views)

ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Cheryl Hartzman/PA
9/4/2009 2:41:01 PM (5076 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Robert Franco/OH
9/8/2009 1:45:36 PM (3975 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/8/2009 5:09:20 PM (3878 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Robert Franco/OH
9/9/2009 8:06:24 AM (3850 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Kevin Ahern/CT
9/9/2009 8:41:47 AM (3862 views)
Re: ALTA Policy Licensing Fees - Robert Franco/OH
9/9/2009 8:58:17 AM (3783 views)

J&L in TX - LAWANDA  MCMILLIAN/AR
9/3/2009 9:34:26 PM (2906 views)

Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
9/3/2009 1:07:29 PM (3444 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
9/8/2009 11:22:53 AM (3829 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Michelle White/IL
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Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Robert Franco/OH
9/8/2009 1:52:47 PM (3906 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Jessica Obitz/MD
9/15/2009 8:32:35 AM (3639 views)
Re: Accepting Credit Cards - Dan Zook/NY
9/15/2009 8:58:54 AM (3635 views)

Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/3/2009 1:03:46 AM (3650 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/10/2009 3:53:48 PM (3976 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/15/2009 2:24:40 PM (3923 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/17/2009 1:54:39 PM (5288 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/17/2009 4:24:02 PM (3867 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
9/17/2009 7:58:09 PM (3948 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/18/2009 1:18:49 AM (4018 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 9:27:37 AM (3818 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 4:59:39 PM (3861 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/18/2009 6:51:17 PM (3781 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - george Hubka/MI
9/18/2009 8:57:45 PM (3880 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/19/2009 11:59:07 PM (3817 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2009 12:11:37 PM (3847 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:11:33 PM (3886 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:08:37 PM (3832 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 12:35:50 PM (3804 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/18/2009 1:24:49 AM (3845 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
9/21/2009 1:50:13 PM (3884 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/21/2009 2:08:51 PM (3840 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Eric Michaels/IL
9/22/2009 12:30:13 PM (3883 views)
Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Robert Franco/OH
9/22/2009 1:18:21 PM (3843 views)

Yes... probably best to let it drop.  If you want to get involved in these types of transactions, go for it.  I'm not telling you what to do.  I'm just saying that, from a title agents perspective, it is a land flip that most knowledgeable title agents will not want to get involved with.

You clearly do not understand there is substantively no difference between B using the proceeds from C to buy property from A... AND... B borrowing money from YOU to buy the property from A with the requirement that the proceeds from the sale to C must be used to pay YOU.  Clearly, with that kind of requirement the A/B transaction is dependent upon the B/C transaction.  The A/B transaction cannot stand alone because you wouldn't loan the money without the B/C transaction already lined up and ready to go.

You need to re-read your post:

The agreement is that this money is used to fund the A-B and then paid back plus fee in the B-C transaction.  If the B-C transaction falls apart for some reason, the title company nullifies the A-B.

"If the B/C transaction falls apart - the title company nullifies the A/B transaction" - This does not describe a "stand alone transaction."  The A/B transaction necessarily depends on the B/C transaction!  A title agent would have to be nuts to agree to close that transaction.  It is clearly a land flip with all of the badges of fraud that land agents in the middle of federal investigations.  It is precisely the type of transaction that we are trained to spot and avoid. 

You clearly have a dollar signs blinding your vision - you want to loan someone money with a large fee FOR ONE DAY!  Like most get-rich-quick schemes, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 

Clanci was clearly correct, you are taking her statement out of context.  Though, perhaps what she should have said in response to your comment ("no one here has experience...and some people have irrational fears") was "It is not fear that prevents us from not doing these transactions, nor is it a lack of experience.  It is past experiences and the laws that govern our business that we follow.”

I don't know how I could make this any more clear... you just don't want to understand.  Clearly you recognize that "each closing has to stand on it's own."  Then you want to contractually obligate the title agent to "nullify" the first transaction if the second deal falls through.  By your own words, the first transaction is dependent on the second transaction, i.e., it does not stand alone.  Your contract would make the title agent a party to a land flip.  Any agent worth his salt would send you packing.

You said:

I didn't really ask for your opinion, I asked for facts about the title business.  But you guys are having difficulty getting the basic facts of my question straight.

You got what you asked for... "My question is just about the details of this contract between the Title Co and the Trans Lender. How is this done exactly?"  You were told that the way you want to structure this deal meets the definition of a land flip and our professional opinion is that we would not get involved.  It is you that does not understand the "basic facts" of your question.  The facts you presented contemplate that the A/B transaction cannot stand alone, yet you insist that it is a stand alone transaction.  You can't have it both ways!    If the A/B transaction is "nullified" if the B/C transaction falls through, it does not stand alone no matter how many times you call it "a stand alone transaction!" 

I'm sorry you didn't like the answer you got.  You are free to go elsewhere and seek other opinions.  Sooner or later you will find someone who doesn't understand land flips and you will get a more favorable response.  Just don't say you weren't warned.

Best,
Robert A. Franco
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Re: Experience closing short sales w/transactional funding? - Clanci Nelson/OH
10/12/2009 12:28:55 PM (3773 views)




selling searches - edward hartung/OH
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Re: selling searches - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: selling searches - edward hartung/OH
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Re: selling searches - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: selling searches - edward hartung/OH
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Re: selling searches - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: selling searches - edward hartung/OH
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Re: selling searches - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: selling searches - shori ferrell/MO
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new client, trust title - WAYNE QUICK/NC
8/31/2009 6:54:42 PM (3426 views)

Cleary Title - Robin Ramberg/MI
8/30/2009 8:32:56 PM (4633 views)
Re: Cleary Title - Edward Huguenin/SC
8/30/2009 10:38:38 PM (5024 views)

Abstractor Fees - Tena Grice/TX
8/28/2009 11:40:47 PM (6820 views)
Re: Abstractor Fees - Wendi See/SC
8/29/2009 8:59:05 AM (5173 views)
Re: Abstractor Fees - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
8/29/2009 10:46:09 AM (4697 views)
Re: Abstractor Fees - Tena Grice/TX
8/29/2009 10:00:25 PM (4618 views)
Re: Abstractor Fees - William Pattison /CA
9/8/2009 11:38:32 AM (4207 views)

SOT maintenance notice - Slade Smith/OH
8/28/2009 1:45:08 PM (3075 views)

Abstractor Watchdog - Nils Nelson/ME
8/27/2009 6:32:24 PM (4089 views)
Re: Abstractor Watchdog - Dan Zook/NY
8/28/2009 10:49:19 AM (4641 views)
Re: Abstractor Watchdog - AbstractorWatchdog com/NY
8/31/2009 9:31:00 PM (4467 views)
Re: Abstractor Watchdog - Nils Nelson/ME
8/31/2009 11:07:15 PM (4347 views)

Service 1st Valuation and Settlement Services - VIVIAN SLYKER/OH
8/25/2009 3:16:23 PM (4254 views)
Re: Service 1st Valuation and Settlement Services - Nils Nelson/ME
8/26/2009 7:46:31 PM (5511 views)

Payment - Jana Urban-Buzek/OH
8/25/2009 12:15:50 PM (3897 views)
Re: Payment - Nils Nelson/ME
8/25/2009 1:46:44 PM (4550 views)

Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - James Baker/AL
8/22/2009 10:18:57 PM (4076 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
8/23/2009 12:59:51 PM (4777 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Wendi See/SC
8/23/2009 5:58:02 PM (4641 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
8/24/2009 12:06:39 AM (4692 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - john rutledge/VA
8/24/2009 10:40:25 PM (4511 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
8/25/2009 4:05:41 AM (4396 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Heather Seymour/IN
8/25/2009 12:12:25 PM (4518 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Ray Young/GA
8/24/2009 12:30:38 PM (4572 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Wendi See/SC
8/24/2009 7:11:09 PM (4384 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Jason/WV
8/24/2009 9:45:18 PM (4435 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Ray Young/GA
9/2/2009 11:40:35 AM (4344 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Janet Angi/MI
9/2/2009 6:52:11 PM (4265 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Ray Young/GA
9/4/2009 4:55:10 PM (4297 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - James Baker/AL
8/25/2009 8:48:50 AM (4300 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
8/25/2009 10:56:04 AM (4350 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Wendi See/SC
8/25/2009 8:22:06 PM (4401 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
8/26/2009 7:59:36 AM (4382 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Dan Zook/NY
8/26/2009 8:23:46 AM (4352 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Wendi See/SC
8/26/2009 4:23:44 PM (4510 views)
Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - James Baker/AL
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Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Wendi See/SC
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Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - STEVE MEINECKE/TN
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Re: Database Designed for Abstracting Companies - Kurt deVries/FL
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Fico Scores - Jack Johanson/PA
8/21/2009 3:29:25 PM (3557 views)
Re: Fico Scores - Robert Franco/OH
8/21/2009 3:51:57 PM (4207 views)
Re: Fico Scores - Jack Johanson/PA
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