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On-Line Abstract, Ltd. - Susan Hicks/NY
4/26/2010 7:55:41 AM (4270 views)
Re: On-Line Abstract, Ltd. - William Pattison /CA
4/26/2010 10:17:44 AM (4420 views)

GOOD ABSTRACTOR - kellu/MD
4/26/2010 3:36:43 AM (4401 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - William Case/TN
4/26/2010 9:13:49 AM (6822 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Robert Franco/OH
4/26/2010 9:22:32 AM (4665 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Bill Garrett/MS
4/26/2010 9:33:29 AM (4683 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Nils Nelson/ME
4/26/2010 10:30:33 AM (4666 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - William Case/TN
4/26/2010 11:09:27 AM (4673 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Nils Nelson/ME
4/26/2010 11:25:05 AM (5028 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Scott Perry/PA
4/26/2010 1:00:42 PM (4783 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - William Case/TN
4/26/2010 3:48:27 PM (6702 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Scott Perry/PA
4/26/2010 7:04:11 PM (6325 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Scott Perry/PA
4/26/2010 10:56:45 AM (4630 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Nils Nelson/ME
4/26/2010 11:05:52 AM (4714 views)
Re: GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Leigh Attridge/MA
4/26/2010 9:49:50 AM (4533 views)
GOOD ABSTRACTOR - Joel Lee/NY
4/28/2010 11:14:48 AM (4770 views)

new White House medical symbol - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 10:14:37 PM (4185 views)
Re: new White House medical symbol - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
4/26/2010 2:03:46 PM (4502 views)
Re: new White House medical symbol - Robert Franco/OH
4/26/2010 2:18:09 PM (4377 views)
Re: new White House medical symbol - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
4/27/2010 10:24:02 AM (4443 views)
Re: new White House medical symbol - K C/NJ
4/27/2010 5:24:22 PM (4484 views)
Re: new White House medical symbol - george Hubka/MI
4/27/2010 7:19:26 PM (4443 views)
Re: new White House medical symbol - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
4/29/2010 9:42:14 PM (4383 views)
Re: new White House medical symbol - F P/VA
4/30/2010 11:51:45 AM (4370 views)

What is up with clients? - Robert Franco/OH
4/23/2010 10:47:52 AM (4563 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - Nils Nelson/ME
4/23/2010 12:10:26 PM (4816 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - William Pattison /CA
4/23/2010 2:21:42 PM (4739 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - Kevin Ahern/CT
4/24/2010 8:12:02 AM (4789 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - Nils Nelson/ME
4/24/2010 8:32:06 AM (4780 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 4:21:05 PM (4746 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - Robert Franco/OH
4/24/2010 9:15:51 PM (4553 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 9:22:55 PM (4604 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - Nils Nelson/ME
4/24/2010 10:36:30 PM (4482 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 2:53:50 PM (4570 views)
And now , a few words from George? - monica froese/ME
4/25/2010 6:52:54 PM (4688 views)
Re: And now , a few words from George? - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 9:25:48 PM (4542 views)
Re: And now , a few words from George? - Leigh Attridge/MA
4/26/2010 9:52:24 AM (4431 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - PHILIP YIANILOS/VA
4/26/2010 2:39:35 AM (4318 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - Leonard Kleinman/FL
4/26/2010 7:52:51 AM (4515 views)
Interesting Update... - Robert Franco/OH
4/26/2010 9:44:04 AM (4427 views)
Re: Interesting Update... - Leigh Attridge/MA
4/26/2010 10:03:49 AM (4473 views)
biz opportunity here - William Pattison /CA
4/26/2010 10:10:21 AM (4350 views)
Re: Interesting Update... - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
4/27/2010 10:26:36 AM (4384 views)
Re: What is up with clients? - Ellen Wagner/WI
4/26/2010 4:09:43 PM (4424 views)

loanofficerlist.com and email marketing - William Case/TN
4/23/2010 7:59:03 AM (5209 views)
Re: loanofficerlist.com and email marketing - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/23/2010 11:19:05 AM (4510 views)
Re: loanofficerlist.com and email marketing - K C/NJ
4/27/2010 4:50:44 PM (4449 views)




QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
4/22/2010 1:56:38 PM (5570 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/22/2010 3:35:51 PM (6263 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
4/22/2010 3:40:20 PM (4628 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - William Pattison /CA
4/23/2010 2:33:50 PM (4569 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/23/2010 5:33:51 PM (4649 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 4:36:19 PM (4494 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 8:35:48 PM (4440 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 9:24:54 PM (4435 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 11:17:13 PM (5956 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 3:18:06 PM (4361 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 8:52:25 AM (5833 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/28/2010 11:50:52 AM (4225 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:57:24 PM (4424 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:23:10 PM (5905 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 12:50:38 AM (4387 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 1:37:22 AM (4472 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 12:09:36 PM (4164 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/3/2010 11:02:43 PM (4357 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/4/2010 1:33:48 AM (6506 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/29/2010 11:48:41 AM (4411 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2010 7:07:02 PM (4334 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 2:09:04 AM (4395 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:45:00 PM (4353 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/28/2010 8:38:24 PM (4236 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:02:53 PM (4310 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 1:02:41 AM (4335 views)
Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 5:06:43 PM (6041 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 5:21:31 PM (4459 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
4/26/2010 1:10:08 PM (4378 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/26/2010 5:02:45 PM (4500 views)

Let's just stipulate that if we're on this guy's jury, he's innocent until proven guilty under the law.  I think that's a given.

But we aren't on the jury, and that allows us a looser standard when forming an opinion.  I didn't see George applying an "innocent until proven guilty" standard to Tim Geithner upthread when he called him a "crook" and a "federal tax cheat", nor did I see any admonishment from you that he wasn't keeping his mind open because he didn't apply such a standard. 

When George called Geithner a crook, I certainly didn't make an argument that Geithner wasn't a crook simply by virtue of the fact that he has not been convicted of a crime.  Beause let's face it, there's a lot of crooks walking the streets free because of technicalities, bad jury decisions, clever legal defenses, and the pure luck of never getting caught.  Instead, I argued that I didn't believe Geithner was a crook based on the facts of his tax issue.

Similarly, in this case, I'm saying that if the news reports and the extra info provided by Dave's source accurately represent this guy's scheme, he's a crook.  He may never be convicted, or even charged in the case-- he's still a crook.  A criminal is a criminal, whether they get convicted or not, and an innocent person is not a criminal even if they get convicted of a crime. 

Bottom line: if I see a thug beat down an old lady in the street and run off with her purse, I don't feel any particular obligation to wait for the conviction to call the guy a criminal.  Same general principle applies here.

As far as the tax avoidance schemes you describe, I think I'm fairly safe ground when I say that many of them in fact are not legal-- for instance, sham business transactions that have no legitimate purpose other than to avoid federal tax are not legal.

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Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
5/3/2010 12:18:36 PM (4160 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 3:11:53 PM (4191 views)
Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - Slade Smith/OH
6/7/2010 12:46:54 PM (5689 views)
Re: Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - george Hubka/MI
6/12/2010 8:32:14 PM (4448 views)

If you have a problem replying to a message... - Slade Smith/OH
4/21/2010 5:49:12 PM (3638 views)
Okay, I think I have the problem fixed - Slade Smith/OH
4/21/2010 6:11:52 PM (4059 views)

Abstractors a go go - Christine Sheeler/PA
4/19/2010 3:47:04 PM (5559 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Eric S/NY
4/19/2010 8:28:01 PM (5145 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/20/2010 5:20:10 PM (4922 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Eric S/NY
4/20/2010 7:36:54 PM (4858 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Abstractor/IL
4/20/2010 9:43:59 PM (4764 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Scott Perry/PA
4/20/2010 9:57:53 PM (5021 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Abstractor/IL
4/20/2010 10:02:19 PM (4656 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/21/2010 12:13:15 PM (4554 views)
thanks - Amy/OR
4/21/2010 4:12:24 PM (4595 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/21/2010 7:39:10 AM (4560 views)
Out of Line - Robert Franco/OH
4/21/2010 9:48:57 AM (4606 views)
Re: Out of Line - Nathan Lautar/PA
4/21/2010 10:09:25 AM (4665 views)
Thank you, Nathan - Robert Franco/OH
4/21/2010 12:39:56 PM (4585 views)
Re: Thank you, Nathan - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 4:56:52 PM (4642 views)
Re: Out of Line - Robert Alvey/VA
10/16/2010 7:33:43 AM (4048 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - charles jetter/OH
4/21/2010 2:20:01 PM (4593 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Joyce Obrien/PA
4/21/2010 4:33:54 PM (4433 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Joyce Obrien/PA
4/21/2010 4:34:31 PM (4363 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 5:06:51 PM (4433 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Joyce Obrien/PA
4/25/2010 12:22:56 AM (4294 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 9:46:09 PM (4435 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Joyce Obrien/PA
4/25/2010 11:45:48 PM (4284 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/26/2010 12:13:33 PM (4395 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Robert Franco/OH
4/26/2010 12:48:19 PM (4333 views)
Re: Abstractors a go go - Scott Perry/PA
4/26/2010 1:11:22 PM (4505 views)

Vision Land Services - Arlene Nelson/NY
4/19/2010 11:03:23 AM (4868 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - Susan McKee Shifflett/WV
4/19/2010 6:08:15 PM (4675 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - Arlene Nelson/NY
4/21/2010 9:23:45 AM (4422 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - charles jetter/OH
4/21/2010 2:35:50 PM (4513 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 5:10:21 PM (4573 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - Arlene Nelson/NY
4/26/2010 3:46:24 PM (4353 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - Patrick/NY
4/27/2010 8:06:40 AM (4649 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - Arlene Nelson/NY
4/27/2010 9:54:48 AM (4489 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - Susan McKee Shifflett/WV
4/27/2010 2:35:58 PM (4562 views)
Re: Vision Land Services - Arlene Nelson/NY
4/27/2010 2:38:10 PM (4433 views)

Poppe Mortgage - Shannon Heath/LA
4/19/2010 10:39:07 AM (4971 views)
Re: Poppe Mortgage - Dan Zook/NY
4/19/2010 11:20:14 AM (4535 views)
Re: Poppe Mortgage - Margie Allen/TX
4/19/2010 11:44:47 AM (4500 views)
Re: Poppe Mortgage - Shona Dunning/WY
4/19/2010 3:46:53 PM (4519 views)
Re: Poppe Mortgage - J Nisonger/CA
4/21/2010 4:12:09 AM (4188 views)
Re: Poppe Mortgage - Kenneth Signor/SC
4/26/2010 10:34:24 AM (4417 views)
Re: Poppe Mortgage - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/26/2010 11:51:22 AM (4543 views)

Mission Viejo Title - John Fernands/NH
4/14/2010 4:39:59 PM (3913 views)
Abstractors A Go Go, LLC. - Eric S/NY
4/15/2010 1:26:44 PM (4433 views)

Reliable Docs - Len Bianco/TX
4/13/2010 11:03:22 AM (4415 views)
Re: Reliable Docs - Amy Jensen/OR
4/13/2010 11:55:00 AM (4665 views)
Re: Reliable Docs - Dan Zook/NY
4/13/2010 1:37:47 PM (4745 views)
Re: Reliable Docs - Michael Vernon/AZ
4/19/2010 3:14:46 AM (4580 views)
Re: Reliable Docs - Alix Ott/MI
4/19/2010 6:52:20 AM (4720 views)

Taxes for info purposes only - john rutledge/VA
4/12/2010 9:39:07 AM (4215 views)
Re: Taxes for info purposes only - Robert Franco/OH
4/12/2010 9:45:17 AM (4771 views)
Re: Taxes for info purposes only - William Pattison /CA
4/12/2010 12:06:36 PM (4691 views)
Re: Taxes for info purposes only - K C/NJ
4/12/2010 8:47:31 PM (4523 views)
Re: Taxes for info purposes only - Justin Shepard/VA
4/12/2010 11:01:44 PM (4595 views)
Re: Taxes for info purposes only - Leigh Attridge/MA
4/13/2010 7:30:24 AM (4430 views)

JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Jean Allen/NC
4/11/2010 9:32:55 AM (5848 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Nils Nelson/ME
4/11/2010 5:28:16 PM (5234 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Hillary Bendle/TN
4/12/2010 8:40:48 AM (4944 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Matthew DeLand/NY
4/26/2010 10:30:52 AM (4721 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Josh Lowe/TN
4/27/2010 12:04:31 PM (5361 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Josh Lowe/TN
4/27/2010 12:06:22 PM (4682 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Katrina Chambers/AR
5/3/2010 10:34:12 AM (4532 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Jean Allen/NC
5/3/2010 11:38:45 AM (5393 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Jean Allen/NC
5/6/2010 7:31:57 PM (4652 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Josh Lowe/TN
5/11/2010 4:42:45 PM (4549 views)
Re: JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Nils Nelson/ME
5/11/2010 5:01:45 PM (4442 views)

Synergy Title - Mark Pierson/FL
4/9/2010 12:43:28 PM (4394 views)
Re: Synergy Title - Abstractor/WI
4/11/2010 8:14:02 PM (4575 views)
Re: Synergy Title - george Hubka/MI
4/11/2010 10:14:51 PM (4586 views)
Re: Synergy Title - Mark Pierson/FL
4/12/2010 7:41:00 AM (4547 views)


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