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[+] What is up with clients? - Robert Franco/OH (19 replies)
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[-] QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA (33 replies)
4/22/2010 1:56:38 PM (5392 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/22/2010 3:35:51 PM (5896 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
4/22/2010 3:40:20 PM (4306 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - William Pattison /CA
4/23/2010 2:33:50 PM (4244 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/23/2010 5:33:51 PM (4333 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 4:36:19 PM (4175 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 8:35:48 PM (4112 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 9:24:54 PM (4082 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 11:17:13 PM (5633 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 3:18:06 PM (4033 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 8:52:25 AM (5495 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/28/2010 11:50:52 AM (3931 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:57:24 PM (4112 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:23:10 PM (5579 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 12:50:38 AM (4062 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 1:37:22 AM (4130 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 12:09:36 PM (3833 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/3/2010 11:02:43 PM (4046 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/4/2010 1:33:48 AM (6136 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/29/2010 11:48:41 AM (4073 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2010 7:07:02 PM (4019 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 2:09:04 AM (4076 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:45:00 PM (4025 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/28/2010 8:38:24 PM (3941 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:02:53 PM (3998 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 1:02:41 AM (4028 views)
Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 5:06:43 PM (5701 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 5:21:31 PM (4133 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
4/26/2010 1:10:08 PM (4099 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/26/2010 5:02:45 PM (4164 views)

Let's just stipulate that if we're on this guy's jury, he's innocent until proven guilty under the law.  I think that's a given.

But we aren't on the jury, and that allows us a looser standard when forming an opinion.  I didn't see George applying an "innocent until proven guilty" standard to Tim Geithner upthread when he called him a "crook" and a "federal tax cheat", nor did I see any admonishment from you that he wasn't keeping his mind open because he didn't apply such a standard. 

When George called Geithner a crook, I certainly didn't make an argument that Geithner wasn't a crook simply by virtue of the fact that he has not been convicted of a crime.  Beause let's face it, there's a lot of crooks walking the streets free because of technicalities, bad jury decisions, clever legal defenses, and the pure luck of never getting caught.  Instead, I argued that I didn't believe Geithner was a crook based on the facts of his tax issue.

Similarly, in this case, I'm saying that if the news reports and the extra info provided by Dave's source accurately represent this guy's scheme, he's a crook.  He may never be convicted, or even charged in the case-- he's still a crook.  A criminal is a criminal, whether they get convicted or not, and an innocent person is not a criminal even if they get convicted of a crime. 

Bottom line: if I see a thug beat down an old lady in the street and run off with her purse, I don't feel any particular obligation to wait for the conviction to call the guy a criminal.  Same general principle applies here.

As far as the tax avoidance schemes you describe, I think I'm fairly safe ground when I say that many of them in fact are not legal-- for instance, sham business transactions that have no legitimate purpose other than to avoid federal tax are not legal.

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Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
5/3/2010 12:18:36 PM (3849 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 3:11:53 PM (3885 views)
Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - Slade Smith/OH
6/7/2010 12:46:54 PM (5361 views)
Re: Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - george Hubka/MI
6/12/2010 8:32:14 PM (4072 views)

[+] If you have a problem replying to a message... - Slade Smith/OH (1 reply)
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