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[-] QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA (33 replies)
4/22/2010 1:56:38 PM (5254 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/22/2010 3:35:51 PM (5500 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
4/22/2010 3:40:20 PM (3998 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - William Pattison /CA
4/23/2010 2:33:50 PM (3929 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/23/2010 5:33:51 PM (4021 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 4:36:19 PM (3850 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 8:35:48 PM (3799 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 9:24:54 PM (3776 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
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Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 3:18:06 PM (3700 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 8:52:25 AM (5168 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/28/2010 11:50:52 AM (3615 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:57:24 PM (3794 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:23:10 PM (5216 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 12:50:38 AM (3748 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 1:37:22 AM (3807 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 12:09:36 PM (3511 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/3/2010 11:02:43 PM (3716 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/4/2010 1:33:48 AM (5792 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/29/2010 11:48:41 AM (3744 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2010 7:07:02 PM (3678 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 2:09:04 AM (3745 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:45:00 PM (3692 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/28/2010 8:38:24 PM (3614 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:02:53 PM (3678 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 1:02:41 AM (3705 views)
Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 5:06:43 PM (5348 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 5:21:31 PM (3806 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
4/26/2010 1:10:08 PM (3782 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/26/2010 5:02:45 PM (3842 views)

Let's just stipulate that if we're on this guy's jury, he's innocent until proven guilty under the law.  I think that's a given.

But we aren't on the jury, and that allows us a looser standard when forming an opinion.  I didn't see George applying an "innocent until proven guilty" standard to Tim Geithner upthread when he called him a "crook" and a "federal tax cheat", nor did I see any admonishment from you that he wasn't keeping his mind open because he didn't apply such a standard. 

When George called Geithner a crook, I certainly didn't make an argument that Geithner wasn't a crook simply by virtue of the fact that he has not been convicted of a crime.  Beause let's face it, there's a lot of crooks walking the streets free because of technicalities, bad jury decisions, clever legal defenses, and the pure luck of never getting caught.  Instead, I argued that I didn't believe Geithner was a crook based on the facts of his tax issue.

Similarly, in this case, I'm saying that if the news reports and the extra info provided by Dave's source accurately represent this guy's scheme, he's a crook.  He may never be convicted, or even charged in the case-- he's still a crook.  A criminal is a criminal, whether they get convicted or not, and an innocent person is not a criminal even if they get convicted of a crime. 

Bottom line: if I see a thug beat down an old lady in the street and run off with her purse, I don't feel any particular obligation to wait for the conviction to call the guy a criminal.  Same general principle applies here.

As far as the tax avoidance schemes you describe, I think I'm fairly safe ground when I say that many of them in fact are not legal-- for instance, sham business transactions that have no legitimate purpose other than to avoid federal tax are not legal.

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Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
5/3/2010 12:18:36 PM (3530 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 3:11:53 PM (3570 views)
Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - Slade Smith/OH
6/7/2010 12:46:54 PM (5021 views)
Re: Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - george Hubka/MI
6/12/2010 8:32:14 PM (3766 views)

[+] If you have a problem replying to a message... - Slade Smith/OH (1 reply)
4/21/2010 5:49:12 PM (3420 views)

[+] Abstractors a go go - Christine Sheeler/PA (24 replies)
4/19/2010 3:47:04 PM (5285 views)


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