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[-] QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA (33 replies)
4/22/2010 1:56:38 PM (5177 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/22/2010 3:35:51 PM (5315 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
4/22/2010 3:40:20 PM (3861 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - William Pattison /CA
4/23/2010 2:33:50 PM (3782 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/23/2010 5:33:51 PM (3869 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 4:36:19 PM (3693 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 8:35:48 PM (3635 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 9:24:54 PM (3631 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 11:17:13 PM (5134 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 3:18:06 PM (3563 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 8:52:25 AM (5003 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/28/2010 11:50:52 AM (3459 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:57:24 PM (3623 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:23:10 PM (5039 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 12:50:38 AM (3586 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 1:37:22 AM (3650 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 12:09:36 PM (3358 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/3/2010 11:02:43 PM (3551 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/4/2010 1:33:48 AM (5627 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/29/2010 11:48:41 AM (3592 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2010 7:07:02 PM (3521 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 2:09:04 AM (3595 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:45:00 PM (3539 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/28/2010 8:38:24 PM (3464 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:02:53 PM (3507 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 1:02:41 AM (3544 views)
Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 5:06:43 PM (5172 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 5:21:31 PM (3657 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
4/26/2010 1:10:08 PM (3638 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/26/2010 5:02:45 PM (3695 views)

Let's just stipulate that if we're on this guy's jury, he's innocent until proven guilty under the law.  I think that's a given.

But we aren't on the jury, and that allows us a looser standard when forming an opinion.  I didn't see George applying an "innocent until proven guilty" standard to Tim Geithner upthread when he called him a "crook" and a "federal tax cheat", nor did I see any admonishment from you that he wasn't keeping his mind open because he didn't apply such a standard. 

When George called Geithner a crook, I certainly didn't make an argument that Geithner wasn't a crook simply by virtue of the fact that he has not been convicted of a crime.  Beause let's face it, there's a lot of crooks walking the streets free because of technicalities, bad jury decisions, clever legal defenses, and the pure luck of never getting caught.  Instead, I argued that I didn't believe Geithner was a crook based on the facts of his tax issue.

Similarly, in this case, I'm saying that if the news reports and the extra info provided by Dave's source accurately represent this guy's scheme, he's a crook.  He may never be convicted, or even charged in the case-- he's still a crook.  A criminal is a criminal, whether they get convicted or not, and an innocent person is not a criminal even if they get convicted of a crime. 

Bottom line: if I see a thug beat down an old lady in the street and run off with her purse, I don't feel any particular obligation to wait for the conviction to call the guy a criminal.  Same general principle applies here.

As far as the tax avoidance schemes you describe, I think I'm fairly safe ground when I say that many of them in fact are not legal-- for instance, sham business transactions that have no legitimate purpose other than to avoid federal tax are not legal.

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Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
5/3/2010 12:18:36 PM (3367 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 3:11:53 PM (3417 views)
Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - Slade Smith/OH
6/7/2010 12:46:54 PM (4846 views)
Re: Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - george Hubka/MI
6/12/2010 8:32:14 PM (3622 views)

[+] If you have a problem replying to a message... - Slade Smith/OH (1 reply)
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[+] Reliable Docs - Len Bianco/TX (4 replies)
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[+] Taxes for info purposes only - john rutledge/VA (5 replies)
4/12/2010 9:39:07 AM (3932 views)

[+] JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Jean Allen/NC (10 replies)
4/11/2010 9:32:55 AM (5536 views)


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