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[-] QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA (33 replies)
4/22/2010 1:56:38 PM (5327 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/22/2010 3:35:51 PM (5678 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
4/22/2010 3:40:20 PM (4120 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - William Pattison /CA
4/23/2010 2:33:50 PM (4070 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/23/2010 5:33:51 PM (4160 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 4:36:19 PM (4003 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 8:35:48 PM (3938 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 9:24:54 PM (3909 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 11:17:13 PM (5442 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/25/2010 3:18:06 PM (3839 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 8:52:25 AM (5317 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/28/2010 11:50:52 AM (3760 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:57:24 PM (3939 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:23:10 PM (5366 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 12:50:38 AM (3887 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 1:37:22 AM (3946 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 12:09:36 PM (3667 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
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Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
5/4/2010 1:33:48 AM (5936 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Jessica Talley/NJ
4/29/2010 11:48:41 AM (3893 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Robert Franco/OH
4/29/2010 7:07:02 PM (3826 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
5/1/2010 2:09:04 AM (3888 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/28/2010 4:45:00 PM (3842 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - george Hubka/MI
4/28/2010 8:38:24 PM (3765 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Scott Perry/PA
4/28/2010 10:02:53 PM (3818 views)
Re: QC deed fraud story - Slade Smith/OH
4/29/2010 1:02:41 AM (3846 views)
Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/24/2010 5:06:43 PM (5512 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - george Hubka/MI
4/24/2010 5:21:31 PM (3951 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
4/26/2010 1:10:08 PM (3918 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
4/26/2010 5:02:45 PM (3986 views)

Let's just stipulate that if we're on this guy's jury, he's innocent until proven guilty under the law.  I think that's a given.

But we aren't on the jury, and that allows us a looser standard when forming an opinion.  I didn't see George applying an "innocent until proven guilty" standard to Tim Geithner upthread when he called him a "crook" and a "federal tax cheat", nor did I see any admonishment from you that he wasn't keeping his mind open because he didn't apply such a standard. 

When George called Geithner a crook, I certainly didn't make an argument that Geithner wasn't a crook simply by virtue of the fact that he has not been convicted of a crime.  Beause let's face it, there's a lot of crooks walking the streets free because of technicalities, bad jury decisions, clever legal defenses, and the pure luck of never getting caught.  Instead, I argued that I didn't believe Geithner was a crook based on the facts of his tax issue.

Similarly, in this case, I'm saying that if the news reports and the extra info provided by Dave's source accurately represent this guy's scheme, he's a crook.  He may never be convicted, or even charged in the case-- he's still a crook.  A criminal is a criminal, whether they get convicted or not, and an innocent person is not a criminal even if they get convicted of a crime. 

Bottom line: if I see a thug beat down an old lady in the street and run off with her purse, I don't feel any particular obligation to wait for the conviction to call the guy a criminal.  Same general principle applies here.

As far as the tax avoidance schemes you describe, I think I'm fairly safe ground when I say that many of them in fact are not legal-- for instance, sham business transactions that have no legitimate purpose other than to avoid federal tax are not legal.

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Re: Follow-up article on the story - William Pattison /CA
5/3/2010 12:18:36 PM (3666 views)
Re: Follow-up article on the story - Slade Smith/OH
5/3/2010 3:11:53 PM (3703 views)
Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - Slade Smith/OH
6/7/2010 12:46:54 PM (5176 views)
Re: Update: Hanloh arrested and jailed last Friday - george Hubka/MI
6/12/2010 8:32:14 PM (3903 views)

[+] If you have a problem replying to a message... - Slade Smith/OH (1 reply)
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[+] Taxes for info purposes only - john rutledge/VA (5 replies)
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[+] JMC Title Agency/Knoxville TN & New York? - Jean Allen/NC (10 replies)
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