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It all comes back to understanding - George Booth/OH
12/2/2010 9:40:31 AM (3367 views)
You can lead a horse to water... - Slade Smith/OH
12/2/2010 1:09:48 PM (4531 views)
Re: You can lead a horse to water... - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/2/2010 3:50:57 PM (4268 views)
Re: It all comes back to understanding - William Pattison /CA
12/3/2010 7:10:46 PM (4237 views)

How strong is the chain? - michael rafferty/VA
12/1/2010 8:39:11 PM (3628 views)
Re: How strong is the chain? - William Pattison /CA
12/3/2010 7:17:16 PM (4203 views)

Coefficiency, LLC - Ron McPherson/IA
11/30/2010 3:51:25 PM (4172 views)
Re: Coefficiency, LLC - KRISTI HERRING/ID
12/2/2010 10:29:46 AM (4300 views)
Re: Coefficiency, LLC - Ron McPherson/IA
12/3/2010 2:39:12 AM (4201 views)

WARNING: 21st CENTURY NATIONAL ABSTRACTION CO./DEANA MOORE IS A NON-PAYER - Eric Woelfel/MN
11/30/2010 1:48:44 PM (5184 views)
Re: WARNING: 21st CENTURY NATIONAL ABSTRACTION CO./DEANA MOORE IS A NON-PAYER - Alix Ott/MI
11/30/2010 7:07:17 PM (4372 views)
Re: WARNING: 21st CENTURY NATIONAL ABSTRACTION CO./DEANA MOORE IS A NON-PAYER - Eric Woelfel/MN
11/30/2010 8:10:30 PM (4431 views)
Re: WARNING: 21st CENTURY NATIONAL ABSTRACTION CO./DEANA MOORE IS A NON-PAYER - Alix Ott/MI
12/1/2010 1:54:08 PM (4411 views)

BEWARE OF M&M NATIONAL ABSTRACTING & DEBI MILLER - Eric Woelfel/MN
11/30/2010 9:39:18 AM (4547 views)




Spanish Woman Claims She Now Owns Sun - Edouard LeLocle/SC
11/27/2010 8:15:17 PM (3651 views)
Re: Spanish Woman Claims She Now Owns Sun - Patrick Scott/IL
11/29/2010 2:38:34 AM (4201 views)
Re: Spanish Woman Claims She Now Owns Sun - Jeffrey Land/NJ
11/29/2010 10:46:54 AM (4452 views)
Re: Spanish Woman Claims She Now Owns Sun - Michael Vernon/AZ
11/29/2010 1:34:29 PM (4198 views)
This just in.... - J. H./OH
11/29/2010 10:19:51 PM (4043 views)
Re: This just in.... - Jessica Talley/NJ
12/2/2010 3:44:52 PM (3970 views)
Re: Spanish Woman Claims She Now Owns Sun - Slade Smith/OH
11/30/2010 3:17:53 AM (4174 views)
Re: Spanish Woman Claims She Now Owns Sun - William Pattison /CA
11/30/2010 4:16:08 PM (4023 views)
Re: Spanish Woman Claims She Now Owns Sun - Deborah Manion/VA
12/1/2010 5:16:38 PM (4051 views)

So much to say, so little time - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
11/24/2010 12:22:55 PM (3409 views)
Happy Thanksgiving! - William Pattison /CA
11/24/2010 12:40:34 PM (3944 views)
Re: So much to say, so little time - Slade Smith/OH
11/24/2010 12:58:28 PM (3891 views)
Re: So much to say, so little time - Matt Papsch/MD
11/24/2010 3:10:29 PM (3910 views)
Re: So much to say, so little time - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
11/24/2010 8:14:13 PM (3888 views)
Re: So much to say, so little time - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
11/24/2010 8:14:53 PM (3855 views)

Lumar Document Retrieval - Deborah Manion/VA
11/23/2010 2:21:52 PM (4044 views)
Re: Lumar Document Retrieval - Abstractor/IL
12/9/2010 5:12:37 PM (4144 views)

How far to go in explaining an order - Alix Ott/MI
11/22/2010 3:07:28 PM (3661 views)
Re: How far to go in explaining an order - Robert Franco/OH
11/22/2010 3:35:07 PM (4291 views)
Re: How far to go in explaining an order - K C/NJ
11/22/2010 6:04:22 PM (4232 views)
Re: How far to go in explaining an order - Richard Olson/MD
11/24/2010 9:10:34 AM (4064 views)
Re: How far to go in explaining an order - Robert Franco/OH
11/24/2010 9:58:01 AM (4170 views)
Re: How far to go in explaining an order - Richard Olson/MD
11/24/2010 10:29:41 AM (4155 views)
Re: How far to go in explaining an order - Robert Franco/OH
11/24/2010 10:39:56 AM (4609 views)
Agree with Essentials - William Pattison 
11/24/2010 12:37:01 PM (4099 views)
Re: How far to go in explaining an order - Jessica Talley/NJ
11/24/2010 9:51:07 PM (4016 views)
Re: How far to go in explaining an order - William Pattison /CA
11/24/2010 11:42:02 AM (4084 views)
Thank you, everyone! - Alix Ott/MI
11/29/2010 7:06:00 AM (4058 views)

Abstractors A Go Go - Deborah Manion/VA
11/22/2010 2:29:54 PM (4777 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Linda/NJ
11/22/2010 3:02:36 PM (4228 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Linda/NJ
11/22/2010 3:07:02 PM (4157 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Linda/NJ
11/22/2010 3:23:45 PM (4095 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Jason Knowles/AL
11/24/2010 2:28:08 PM (3974 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - maria santorello/NY
11/23/2010 6:03:18 PM (4036 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Abstractopia/NJ
11/24/2010 9:48:18 AM (3962 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - LINDA/NJ
11/23/2010 4:45:52 PM (4043 views)
Abstractors A Go Gone - Elizabeth Helman/PA
11/23/2010 7:40:16 PM (4131 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - maria santorello/NY
11/23/2010 6:06:34 PM (4043 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Jessica Talley/NJ
11/24/2010 8:48:12 AM (4002 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - K C/NJ
11/24/2010 10:04:26 AM (3957 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Jessica Talley/NJ
11/24/2010 10:42:15 PM (4327 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - maria santorello/NY
11/30/2010 11:03:17 AM (3789 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - KC/NJ
11/30/2010 10:17:15 PM (3741 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Robert Franco/OH
11/24/2010 10:12:24 AM (3902 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Deborah Manion/VA
11/24/2010 11:43:19 AM (3777 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Dave Pelligrinelli/GA
12/1/2010 11:29:25 AM (3595 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Jessica Talley/NJ
12/2/2010 3:51:35 PM (3639 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - JEANETTE LEMONS/WA
11/29/2010 10:15:36 AM (3752 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Jessica Talley/NJ
12/2/2010 3:58:59 PM (3663 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - maria santorello/NY
11/30/2010 10:54:51 AM (3808 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Leigh Attridge/MA
11/30/2010 2:30:30 PM (3831 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Topians/NJ
11/30/2010 10:19:17 PM (3732 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - K C/NJ
12/1/2010 12:16:52 PM (3656 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - K C/NJ
11/30/2010 10:34:22 PM (3623 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Robert Franco/OH
12/1/2010 10:01:38 AM (3716 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - The Former GoGo-ers/NJ
12/1/2010 11:58:58 AM (3916 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - robbin roseberry/OH
12/1/2010 3:44:05 PM (3869 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Ken Ungarsohn/NJ
12/1/2010 4:18:00 PM (3760 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Linda/NJ
12/1/2010 4:41:09 PM (3677 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - K C/NJ
12/1/2010 4:47:18 PM (3654 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Jessica Talley/NJ
12/2/2010 4:26:41 PM (3732 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Leigh Attridge/MA
12/2/2010 4:47:04 PM (3669 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - K C
12/2/2010 6:14:35 PM (3699 views)

Oh Jessica, Jessica, you couldn't resist could you?  I've kept you out of it (and even agreed with you) but you had to attack me at some point.  And even after we ignored your little hate mail so many months ago - sad.  I'd decided to let this whole thread die in the interest of this community but alas, I must make one last post.  Linda and I were telling facts, not ranting.  But since you've made this personal... Lets look at the real facts (and not delusions told you by your friend), and then I'm done with this:

1. FACT - Ken had the audacity to bring 'god' into it and bless people for the sins and lies of truthfully telling they weren't paid and those of us who know where the money went and how he ran his business.  As I said, i'm NOT religious and I find that sickening.  HE brought religion into a discussion where it had no place... so again, I agree with you.

2. FACT - I do not own a company, nor do I receive any compensation from Abstractopia in any way. 

3. FACT - We do not have a bookkeeper.  We don't need someone on staff full time to have them not pay people, Linda was Ken's bookkeeper and that was her role as dictated by him.

4. FACT = Ken was completely responsible for losing his clients on his own.  If your business is strong, someone opening anywhere who covers your area shouldn't affect your business if you've serviced your clients well, which I know you'd agree with because I perceive you run your business this way (see - I can still speak rationally to you despite your attack - I respect your ability as a businessperson regardless of your friendship with Ken). If your business is well run, one competitor shouldn't have you shutting your doors within a year! 

There was no stealing, I'm no thief nor am I dishonest - SOT provided us with all the resources and advertising abilities we needed to get started.  It wasn't until Ken screwed US on a rush order that we had back in an hour, which he knew, then cancelled on us and refused to take calls that we ever had a single client in common so your 'facts' are erroneous- I doubt you know that story.  Ken would like to believe we came in the night and stole all his clients (sorry, that still makes me laugh) but I know 100%, we only had 3 in common when he closed.  The others we have he did NOT have when Linda was fired in October.  We run our business well, communicate well, give good phone and joke with our abstractors and clients - we don't need to steal.

We've picked up a few from my post in the MarketPlace and when I learned he CLOSED, I finally solicited some I knew who were good pay.  Oh wait, I have a quote here from one of our shared clients while we were discussing GoGo's closure just yesterday and it really points out what great relations he had with his clients (odd wording is not mine, i copied/pasted):  I hate to say this because it’s kinda I’m not disappointed they are gone. It was a nightmare working with them

Before you start preaching the truth - you should learn it because you're being fed The Imaginary World According To Ken.  I'm glad you asked for the truth, now you have the real story.  I've seen it myself - he blames everyone but himself.  Blame Linda for not paying people he told her not to pay. Blame everyone in the office for his mistakes. Blame me, the horrible client relations person/sales person for stealing his clients (how's THAT work out rationally?  I sucked so bad he fired me but I'm so good I can steal all his clients and drive his business into the ground singlehandedly?)

We all worked there because the economy sucked and no one else was hiring.  I don't think anyone out there with two degrees and a long successful career in various facets of real estate (and as a previous business owner) would have expected to end up working in some guy's basement with centipedes, and to be condescended to and berated daily.  Even the 20-somethings who worked there didn't deserve such treatment.  I would have gladly cleaned out kennels iinstead (and believe me I applied) but everywhere I went I was over-qualified and over-educated.  Fortunately or unfortunately, Ken discounted my extensive knowledge in real estate (said it didn't apply to their business), overlooked that I'd been a business owner, overlooked my resume in general or I would never have had the pleasure of being a verbally abused basement dweller making wages i hadn't made since my Freshman year of college. 

Oddly enough?  The reason I didn't leave was because I felt loyalty to his clients.  I felt personally responsible for getting orders back, for keeping up promises, for trying to run it like my own business.  Everywhere I've ever worked, I've always personally invested myself in doing my job right.  I finally put stickies above my desk admonishing myself "Shut up, don't make suggestions."  "It's not your business, stop caring."  We argued less when I tried to care less.

Jessica - the sad thing is we  would probably get along fine if you didn't have this inconceivable need to defend Ken and take his word as gospel.  I've never said anything negative about you and I've agreed with you at at times.  You've sent me hate mail and now gone on a rant against me personally.  Other that this facet of your personality, you've seemed generally reasonable and pleasant.  I'm glad I have this amazing ability to stay away from the computer when I'm angry with someone, then again, I'm not easily angered and certainly not easily baited into making myself look petty by attacking you personally.  YOU requested the truth, well, you got it.

Everyone else, Robert included - sorry to take up your valuable professional forum with this kind of nonsense.  This is the end of it for me. 

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Re: Abstractors A Go Go - robbin roseberry/OH
12/2/2010 9:56:24 AM (3690 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Susan Raynard/MA
12/6/2010 4:54:25 PM (3666 views)
Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Cliff Boltz/VA
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Re: Abstractors A Go Go - Linda/NJ
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Questions on copies - Dan Zook/NY
11/19/2010 4:34:55 PM (3661 views)
Re: Questions on copies - Slade Smith/OH
11/19/2010 5:28:26 PM (4000 views)
That reminds me... - Robert Franco/OH
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speaking of copies.... - Alix Ott/MI
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Re: speaking of copies.... - Robert Franco/OH
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Re: speaking of copies.... - Diane Brewer/SC
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Re: speaking of copies.... - Alix Ott/MI
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Solution - William Pattison /CA
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Re: Solution - Alix Ott/MI
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Re: speaking of copies.... - Amy Jensen/OR
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New FNMA Guidelines - Leigh Attridge/MA
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Fiber optic outage... - Robert Franco/OH
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Non-Judicial Foreclosure Misposts - William Pattison /CA
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Re: Non-Judicial Foreclosure Misposts - Slade Smith/OH
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Re: Non-Judicial Foreclosure Misposts - William Pattison /CA
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Re: Non-Judicial Foreclosure Misposts - Slade Smith/OH
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Re: Non-Judicial Foreclosure Misposts - William Pattison /CA
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Re: Non-Judicial Foreclosure Misposts - William Pattison /CA
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NREIS - Richard Primmer/RI
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