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Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2946 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (4060 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (4003 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (3990 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (7780 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (3945 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (3950 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (4109 views)
But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (3862 views)

I worked in Los Angeles for about 10 years and Los Angeles has (or had) some unique recording issues that were different than any other county in the state, and they had their own solutions.  For example,

1) Los Angeles records many more than 5,000 docs a day.  It was between 15,000 and 20,000 a day when they were busy and around 10,000 on a normal day.

2) About 1/3 to 1/2 of those documents are submitted by the title companies.

3) Los Angeles was the first county in the United States to have a computerized title plant (I learned from someone who's first job was delivering 'punch cards' to or from the posters in the early 60's) - and they applied this to their recording concerns.  So they have had their systems in place for close to 50 years.

When I first started in Los Angeles, coming from much smaller San Mateo county, I mentioned that my last job in San Mateo was to index all my morning recordings for changes before recording and I asked how this was done in Los Angeles.  I was told that it is completely automated.  The plants in L.A. automatically checks all transactions set to record that morning and if there is a possible conflict, they show up in a "fallout" report in the morning for the title officers.  Recordings are then 'pulled' based on that report.  My first question when I read this article was - why did that not happen here?

This next part may have completely changed since Los Angeles went to electronic recordings some years back, but when I was there, L.A. county reserved blocks of numbers for the title company recordings.  By 4:30 A.M. (when title company and county employees showed up and started recording for the day) each service company had their block of numbers assigned that would be for their recordings that day.  Since everyone has the same 8:00 time stamp, and the plant systems are supposed to catch these conflicting recordings, I never heard of this being a problem before.

So, because of their volume, Los Angeles has some complicated recording processes that are unique to Los Angeles.  

But I believe it is commonly understood, like Will said, that if a conflict arises based on the time stamp, then it defaults to sequence of the document numbers.  Ask any title officer in California and I bet you will get the same answer.

"The indexing timestamp does not break ties in California when the recording timestamps of two documents show the exact same time.  Neither mortgage is first, so they both have equal priority, the court ruled."

 

OF COURSE the indexing time stamp does not break ties in California!  Otherwise county recorders would not sit on stacks of IRS liens for two weeks waiting until they had the time to index them.  It has always been first to submit.  But the above statement says nothing about the document numbers - which dogma says should be the tie breaker.  Now I want to look this case up and see if this is even mentioned.  And since I was taught to never trust dogma, I am also curious if there is a statute or precedent regarding document numbers breaking the tie.

Since, in my mind, this is a title company systems issue, I agree with Mr. Smith that the insurers should have split the loss up between themselves - then they should fix the hole in their system.

 

And Mr. Patterson is right about San Francisco!  We have been asking, begging, yelling, threatening, cajoling... the San Francisco County Recorder to keep their index current for over 10 years.  A three week index date in California is insane - not just for Notice of Trustee's Sales, but for Bulk Sales (12 day window), Mechanics liens (30 day window) etc.  The answer they keep giving?  Staff out with the flu, short staffed, really busy, having to train, computers down.  The same issues every government agency and business in world has to deal with.  You are not unique.  This is so frustrating for us.  Sure!  We don't mind being sued for a million dollars because you can't keep your index current!  We're fine with that.  Grrrrrrr!

Mr. Smith, can you give me the case name for this?  I would like to look this one up.

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Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6506 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (3853 views)

Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3262 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
10/24/2011 3:46:44 PM (4231 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (4186 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (5079 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3715 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3588 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (4328 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (4200 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (3974 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (4151 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3379 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (4065 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (3917 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (6887 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (3819 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4514 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (4258 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (4357 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (3972 views)




Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3267 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (4275 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (4237 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (4062 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (4025 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (4283 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (4064 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (4052 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (4081 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (4010 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (4047 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (3965 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (3874 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (4103 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (3979 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (3942 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (3916 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (5116 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (3985 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (3934 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (3965 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (3845 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (3882 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4366 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (4222 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (3940 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (4180 views)

The Sweep-It-Under-the-Rug Housing Plan - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 3:19:02 PM (4047 views)

US Century Bank, Florida won TARP loan, now teeters - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:43:08 PM (4261 views)

Comment on "Bevilacqua v. Rodriguez-- Mass. Buyers out of Foreclosure Get the [Mostly] Bad News" - Source of Title/OH
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3355 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3949 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 2:51:57 PM (3853 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:36:51 PM (3813 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Robert Franco
10/24/2011 2:57:47 PM (3882 views)
Other interests - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:29:26 PM (3858 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:44:48 AM (6831 views)

Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 10:03:01 AM (3428 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Susan McKee Shifflett/WV
10/19/2011 11:44:11 AM (4036 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 2:11:07 PM (3967 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:48:56 PM (4043 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:49:01 PM (3951 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jason Knowles/AL
10/19/2011 2:55:08 PM (3831 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 9:03:16 PM (3948 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Stephenie Page/RI
10/21/2011 9:52:39 AM (3898 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:33:12 PM (3830 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:49:13 AM (3846 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:52:42 AM (3813 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 1:16:06 PM (3821 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - lloyd g/NE
3/20/2012 5:48:47 PM (3413 views)

Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/18/2011 10:58:36 PM (4604 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:37:57 AM (3735 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/19/2011 5:34:13 PM (3647 views)

Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 7:46:52 PM (4585 views)
Big news day, thanks for bringing this to my attention - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:40:19 AM (3623 views)
Re: Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:32:08 PM (3685 views)

Stewart Title bulletin re compliance with Massachusetts REBA v NREIS decision - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 1:30:51 PM (5525 views)
Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:52:27 PM (3682 views)
Re: Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/24/2011 3:02:21 PM (3588 views)


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