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Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2946 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (4060 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (4003 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (3990 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (7780 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (3945 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (3949 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (4108 views)

"My" explanation  is the industry standard:  8am setback time is used to assure the marketable title is passed in order to specifically check and verify lien priority WHILE preventing new, unindexed (yet) liens from taking superior position.

 Envision this:  a title company misses the 8am recording deadline and is, for one morning, forced to record 60 documents at the public counter (by check) at 8:15 am, in line with others.  Before those 60 documents can be individually reviewed by the Registrar's staff, the title agent must check the Grantor Grantee Indices of Official Records to ensure that no other liens have recorded in the past few days which is the gap period between title company records and the current county records.  

 In this scenario, 7 members of the public record documents.  Most likely they don't affect the subject 60 documents (which are probably about 25 property transactions).  However, in my scenario, one does and it acquires a 8:04 a.m. time stamp on a $2,000,000 lien.  Furthermore, to add insult to injury, a mechanics lien that has been sitting and awaiting processing in the county's backroom mail bin is picked up by "Larry" and recorded at 8:09 a.m. after he's had his morning coffee and settles down to his routine.  Finally, to really highlight the problem, another title company is recordng another mortgage paper the same morning at 8am.  That 8am mortgage is SAFE as it has a priority of time.  Your late title agent's package is subject wholly to a mortgage, a lien and a mechanics lien.  

This is why it's a race to the counter state:  It makes no sense that two contractors at 4:00 p.m. being served on different counters and getting identical time stamps and one other lien upstairs in the mail processed with the same time stamp are all equal in exact form.  This ruling fails to account for serial  numbers issued in  sequence.  Otherwise, what exactly is the point of issuing numbers in seuqence instead of randomly?

 Also, institutional wrongdoing does not create a lawful custom or tradition:  years of robosigning, forcing minorities to sit on the back of a bus,, or slavery does not legitimize illegal acts, any more than a  service providers' unwillingness to share names between title companies exempts them from liability for claims losses when one goes before another, otherwise I would not have spent 25 years being told by title officers to PULL files from the submission que at 8am, because we found other companies with open orders that needed to be recorded in proper sequence.

 

 

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But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (3862 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6506 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (3853 views)

Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3262 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
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Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (4186 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (5079 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3715 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3588 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (4328 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (4200 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (3973 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (4151 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3379 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (4065 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (3917 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (6887 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (3819 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4514 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (4258 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (4357 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (3972 views)




Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3267 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (4275 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (4237 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (4062 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (4025 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (4283 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (4064 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (4052 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (4081 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (4010 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (4047 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (3965 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (3874 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (4103 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (3979 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (3942 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (3916 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (5116 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (3985 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (3934 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (3965 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (3845 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (3882 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4366 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (4222 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (3940 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (4180 views)

The Sweep-It-Under-the-Rug Housing Plan - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 3:19:02 PM (4047 views)

US Century Bank, Florida won TARP loan, now teeters - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:43:08 PM (4261 views)

Comment on "Bevilacqua v. Rodriguez-- Mass. Buyers out of Foreclosure Get the [Mostly] Bad News" - Source of Title/OH
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3355 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3949 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 2:51:57 PM (3853 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:36:51 PM (3813 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Robert Franco
10/24/2011 2:57:47 PM (3882 views)
Other interests - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:29:26 PM (3858 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:44:48 AM (6831 views)

Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 10:03:01 AM (3428 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Susan McKee Shifflett/WV
10/19/2011 11:44:11 AM (4036 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 2:11:07 PM (3967 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:48:56 PM (4043 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:49:01 PM (3951 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jason Knowles/AL
10/19/2011 2:55:08 PM (3831 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 9:03:16 PM (3948 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Stephenie Page/RI
10/21/2011 9:52:39 AM (3898 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:33:12 PM (3830 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:49:13 AM (3846 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:52:42 AM (3813 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 1:16:06 PM (3821 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - lloyd g/NE
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Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/18/2011 10:58:36 PM (4604 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:37:57 AM (3735 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/19/2011 5:34:13 PM (3647 views)

Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 7:46:52 PM (4585 views)
Big news day, thanks for bringing this to my attention - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:40:19 AM (3623 views)
Re: Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:32:08 PM (3685 views)

Stewart Title bulletin re compliance with Massachusetts REBA v NREIS decision - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 1:30:51 PM (5525 views)
Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:52:27 PM (3682 views)
Re: Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/24/2011 3:02:21 PM (3588 views)


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