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Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2807 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (3678 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (3585 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (3613 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (7343 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (3540 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (3548 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (3704 views)
But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (3496 views)

I worked in Los Angeles for about 10 years and Los Angeles has (or had) some unique recording issues that were different than any other county in the state, and they had their own solutions.  For example,

1) Los Angeles records many more than 5,000 docs a day.  It was between 15,000 and 20,000 a day when they were busy and around 10,000 on a normal day.

2) About 1/3 to 1/2 of those documents are submitted by the title companies.

3) Los Angeles was the first county in the United States to have a computerized title plant (I learned from someone who's first job was delivering 'punch cards' to or from the posters in the early 60's) - and they applied this to their recording concerns.  So they have had their systems in place for close to 50 years.

When I first started in Los Angeles, coming from much smaller San Mateo county, I mentioned that my last job in San Mateo was to index all my morning recordings for changes before recording and I asked how this was done in Los Angeles.  I was told that it is completely automated.  The plants in L.A. automatically checks all transactions set to record that morning and if there is a possible conflict, they show up in a "fallout" report in the morning for the title officers.  Recordings are then 'pulled' based on that report.  My first question when I read this article was - why did that not happen here?

This next part may have completely changed since Los Angeles went to electronic recordings some years back, but when I was there, L.A. county reserved blocks of numbers for the title company recordings.  By 4:30 A.M. (when title company and county employees showed up and started recording for the day) each service company had their block of numbers assigned that would be for their recordings that day.  Since everyone has the same 8:00 time stamp, and the plant systems are supposed to catch these conflicting recordings, I never heard of this being a problem before.

So, because of their volume, Los Angeles has some complicated recording processes that are unique to Los Angeles.  

But I believe it is commonly understood, like Will said, that if a conflict arises based on the time stamp, then it defaults to sequence of the document numbers.  Ask any title officer in California and I bet you will get the same answer.

"The indexing timestamp does not break ties in California when the recording timestamps of two documents show the exact same time.  Neither mortgage is first, so they both have equal priority, the court ruled."

 

OF COURSE the indexing time stamp does not break ties in California!  Otherwise county recorders would not sit on stacks of IRS liens for two weeks waiting until they had the time to index them.  It has always been first to submit.  But the above statement says nothing about the document numbers - which dogma says should be the tie breaker.  Now I want to look this case up and see if this is even mentioned.  And since I was taught to never trust dogma, I am also curious if there is a statute or precedent regarding document numbers breaking the tie.

Since, in my mind, this is a title company systems issue, I agree with Mr. Smith that the insurers should have split the loss up between themselves - then they should fix the hole in their system.

 

And Mr. Patterson is right about San Francisco!  We have been asking, begging, yelling, threatening, cajoling... the San Francisco County Recorder to keep their index current for over 10 years.  A three week index date in California is insane - not just for Notice of Trustee's Sales, but for Bulk Sales (12 day window), Mechanics liens (30 day window) etc.  The answer they keep giving?  Staff out with the flu, short staffed, really busy, having to train, computers down.  The same issues every government agency and business in world has to deal with.  You are not unique.  This is so frustrating for us.  Sure!  We don't mind being sued for a million dollars because you can't keep your index current!  We're fine with that.  Grrrrrrr!

Mr. Smith, can you give me the case name for this?  I would like to look this one up.

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Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6081 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (3411 views)

Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3087 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
10/24/2011 3:46:44 PM (3856 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (3808 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (4683 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3338 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3409 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (3954 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (3835 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (3619 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (3766 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3202 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (3721 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (3568 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (6562 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (3476 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4332 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (3870 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (3988 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (3571 views)




Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3099 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (3882 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (3811 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (3701 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (3641 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (3881 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (3690 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (3658 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (3697 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (3623 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (3676 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (3587 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (3499 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (3660 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (3560 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (3559 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (3479 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (4908 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (3637 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (3575 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (3618 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (3491 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (3519 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4215 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (3887 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (3600 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (3843 views)

The Sweep-It-Under-the-Rug Housing Plan - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 3:19:02 PM (3851 views)

US Century Bank, Florida won TARP loan, now teeters - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:43:08 PM (4076 views)

Comment on "Bevilacqua v. Rodriguez-- Mass. Buyers out of Foreclosure Get the [Mostly] Bad News" - Source of Title/OH
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3176 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3578 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 2:51:57 PM (3515 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:36:51 PM (3447 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Robert Franco
10/24/2011 2:57:47 PM (3510 views)
Other interests - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:29:26 PM (3489 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:44:48 AM (6465 views)

Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 10:03:01 AM (3250 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Susan McKee Shifflett/WV
10/19/2011 11:44:11 AM (3737 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 2:11:07 PM (3649 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:48:56 PM (3713 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:49:01 PM (3638 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jason Knowles/AL
10/19/2011 2:55:08 PM (3480 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 9:03:16 PM (3617 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Stephenie Page/RI
10/21/2011 9:52:39 AM (3587 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:33:12 PM (3469 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:49:13 AM (3501 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:52:42 AM (3476 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 1:16:06 PM (3484 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - lloyd g/NE
3/20/2012 5:48:47 PM (3057 views)

Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/18/2011 10:58:36 PM (4411 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:37:57 AM (3356 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/19/2011 5:34:13 PM (3292 views)

Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 7:46:52 PM (4402 views)
Big news day, thanks for bringing this to my attention - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:40:19 AM (3308 views)
Re: Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:32:08 PM (3329 views)

Stewart Title bulletin re compliance with Massachusetts REBA v NREIS decision - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 1:30:51 PM (5308 views)
Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:52:27 PM (3319 views)
Re: Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/24/2011 3:02:21 PM (3230 views)


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