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Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 10:41:11 AM (3564 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - rod hefner/KS
10/26/2011 11:11:47 AM (3964 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:40:25 PM (3891 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - rod hefner/KS
10/27/2011 7:33:55 AM (4035 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions Kudos for Rod Hefner - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:15:26 AM (4095 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Denise DeMattei/CA
10/26/2011 12:57:08 PM (3859 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/26/2011 1:32:02 PM (3814 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:45:05 PM (3969 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:43:03 PM (3783 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/26/2011 4:14:54 PM (3840 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/27/2011 9:20:39 AM (4190 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/27/2011 4:26:42 PM (4240 views)
Envelope Icon - great for email! - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:16:59 AM (3630 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Tony Costa/LA
10/31/2011 8:18:17 AM (3694 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:20:42 AM (3723 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Greg Weiss/IL
10/31/2011 7:51:54 PM (3765 views)

Congratulations Are In Order - Patrick Scott/IL
10/25/2011 8:45:54 PM (2385 views)

Surprise on Refi Revamp: Key Regulator Agrees to Reforms - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 3:21:38 PM (4125 views)

Comment on "NAR: Existing Home Sales Edge Down in September" - Source of Title/OH
10/25/2011 2:24:02 AM (2050 views)

Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2841 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (3803 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (3731 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (3738 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (7487 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (3669 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (3685 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (3843 views)
But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (3618 views)

I worked in Los Angeles for about 10 years and Los Angeles has (or had) some unique recording issues that were different than any other county in the state, and they had their own solutions.  For example,

1) Los Angeles records many more than 5,000 docs a day.  It was between 15,000 and 20,000 a day when they were busy and around 10,000 on a normal day.

2) About 1/3 to 1/2 of those documents are submitted by the title companies.

3) Los Angeles was the first county in the United States to have a computerized title plant (I learned from someone who's first job was delivering 'punch cards' to or from the posters in the early 60's) - and they applied this to their recording concerns.  So they have had their systems in place for close to 50 years.

When I first started in Los Angeles, coming from much smaller San Mateo county, I mentioned that my last job in San Mateo was to index all my morning recordings for changes before recording and I asked how this was done in Los Angeles.  I was told that it is completely automated.  The plants in L.A. automatically checks all transactions set to record that morning and if there is a possible conflict, they show up in a "fallout" report in the morning for the title officers.  Recordings are then 'pulled' based on that report.  My first question when I read this article was - why did that not happen here?

This next part may have completely changed since Los Angeles went to electronic recordings some years back, but when I was there, L.A. county reserved blocks of numbers for the title company recordings.  By 4:30 A.M. (when title company and county employees showed up and started recording for the day) each service company had their block of numbers assigned that would be for their recordings that day.  Since everyone has the same 8:00 time stamp, and the plant systems are supposed to catch these conflicting recordings, I never heard of this being a problem before.

So, because of their volume, Los Angeles has some complicated recording processes that are unique to Los Angeles.  

But I believe it is commonly understood, like Will said, that if a conflict arises based on the time stamp, then it defaults to sequence of the document numbers.  Ask any title officer in California and I bet you will get the same answer.

"The indexing timestamp does not break ties in California when the recording timestamps of two documents show the exact same time.  Neither mortgage is first, so they both have equal priority, the court ruled."

 

OF COURSE the indexing time stamp does not break ties in California!  Otherwise county recorders would not sit on stacks of IRS liens for two weeks waiting until they had the time to index them.  It has always been first to submit.  But the above statement says nothing about the document numbers - which dogma says should be the tie breaker.  Now I want to look this case up and see if this is even mentioned.  And since I was taught to never trust dogma, I am also curious if there is a statute or precedent regarding document numbers breaking the tie.

Since, in my mind, this is a title company systems issue, I agree with Mr. Smith that the insurers should have split the loss up between themselves - then they should fix the hole in their system.

 

And Mr. Patterson is right about San Francisco!  We have been asking, begging, yelling, threatening, cajoling... the San Francisco County Recorder to keep their index current for over 10 years.  A three week index date in California is insane - not just for Notice of Trustee's Sales, but for Bulk Sales (12 day window), Mechanics liens (30 day window) etc.  The answer they keep giving?  Staff out with the flu, short staffed, really busy, having to train, computers down.  The same issues every government agency and business in world has to deal with.  You are not unique.  This is so frustrating for us.  Sure!  We don't mind being sued for a million dollars because you can't keep your index current!  We're fine with that.  Grrrrrrr!

Mr. Smith, can you give me the case name for this?  I would like to look this one up.

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Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6215 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (3554 views)




Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3120 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
10/24/2011 3:46:44 PM (3951 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (3906 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (4787 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3439 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3451 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (4033 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (3912 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (3702 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (3850 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3246 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (3813 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (3644 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (6635 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (3563 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4360 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (3962 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (4069 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (3645 views)

Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3138 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (3966 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (3917 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (3773 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (3727 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (3973 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (3769 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (3737 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (3785 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (3715 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (3762 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (3668 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (3597 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (3773 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (3654 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (3641 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (3577 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (4948 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (3712 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (3658 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (3688 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (3571 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (3603 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4242 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (3960 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (3680 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (3912 views)

The Sweep-It-Under-the-Rug Housing Plan - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 3:19:02 PM (3883 views)

US Century Bank, Florida won TARP loan, now teeters - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:43:08 PM (4112 views)

Comment on "Bevilacqua v. Rodriguez-- Mass. Buyers out of Foreclosure Get the [Mostly] Bad News" - Source of Title/OH
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3218 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3688 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 2:51:57 PM (3612 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:36:51 PM (3548 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Robert Franco
10/24/2011 2:57:47 PM (3628 views)
Other interests - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:29:26 PM (3589 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:44:48 AM (6574 views)


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