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Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2807 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (3678 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (3585 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (3613 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (7343 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (3540 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (3548 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (3704 views)

"My" explanation  is the industry standard:  8am setback time is used to assure the marketable title is passed in order to specifically check and verify lien priority WHILE preventing new, unindexed (yet) liens from taking superior position.

 Envision this:  a title company misses the 8am recording deadline and is, for one morning, forced to record 60 documents at the public counter (by check) at 8:15 am, in line with others.  Before those 60 documents can be individually reviewed by the Registrar's staff, the title agent must check the Grantor Grantee Indices of Official Records to ensure that no other liens have recorded in the past few days which is the gap period between title company records and the current county records.  

 In this scenario, 7 members of the public record documents.  Most likely they don't affect the subject 60 documents (which are probably about 25 property transactions).  However, in my scenario, one does and it acquires a 8:04 a.m. time stamp on a $2,000,000 lien.  Furthermore, to add insult to injury, a mechanics lien that has been sitting and awaiting processing in the county's backroom mail bin is picked up by "Larry" and recorded at 8:09 a.m. after he's had his morning coffee and settles down to his routine.  Finally, to really highlight the problem, another title company is recordng another mortgage paper the same morning at 8am.  That 8am mortgage is SAFE as it has a priority of time.  Your late title agent's package is subject wholly to a mortgage, a lien and a mechanics lien.  

This is why it's a race to the counter state:  It makes no sense that two contractors at 4:00 p.m. being served on different counters and getting identical time stamps and one other lien upstairs in the mail processed with the same time stamp are all equal in exact form.  This ruling fails to account for serial  numbers issued in  sequence.  Otherwise, what exactly is the point of issuing numbers in seuqence instead of randomly?

 Also, institutional wrongdoing does not create a lawful custom or tradition:  years of robosigning, forcing minorities to sit on the back of a bus,, or slavery does not legitimize illegal acts, any more than a  service providers' unwillingness to share names between title companies exempts them from liability for claims losses when one goes before another, otherwise I would not have spent 25 years being told by title officers to PULL files from the submission que at 8am, because we found other companies with open orders that needed to be recorded in proper sequence.

 

 

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But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (3497 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (6081 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (3411 views)

Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (3087 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
10/24/2011 3:46:44 PM (3856 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (3808 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (4683 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (3338 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (3409 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (3954 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (3835 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (3619 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (3766 views)

What Are Your Thoughts on This - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/22/2011 8:34:17 AM (3202 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Robert Franco/OH
10/22/2011 7:32:43 PM (3721 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Anita Backlund/MN
10/23/2011 11:58:00 AM (3568 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 7:50:51 AM (6562 views)
Re: What Are Your Thoughts on This - john rutledge
10/31/2011 10:10:08 AM (3476 views)

Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:05:29 AM (4332 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - christine hughes/MA
10/24/2011 8:25:56 AM (3870 views)
Re: Mass Land Records crappy new system - we need feedback - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/24/2011 9:55:36 AM (3988 views)
Recommendations - William Pattison 
10/24/2011 1:07:40 PM (3571 views)




Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/20/2011 5:52:49 PM (3099 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Nils Nelson/ME
10/20/2011 8:59:50 PM (3882 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 4:39:47 AM (3811 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 7:04:20 AM (3701 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/21/2011 9:00:44 AM (3641 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/21/2011 9:07:50 AM (3881 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/21/2011 9:21:40 AM (3690 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/21/2011 3:23:28 PM (3658 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:45 PM (3697 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:30:47 PM (3623 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/23/2011 10:29:23 PM (3676 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/24/2011 9:34:37 AM (3587 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:05:40 PM (3499 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/25/2011 6:53:10 AM (3660 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/25/2011 9:17:12 AM (3560 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/31/2011 7:59:46 AM (3559 views)
Re: Error or Lie? - Rebecca Cowart/MS
11/2/2011 6:58:43 AM (3479 views)

Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/20/2011 12:28:47 PM (4908 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Robert Franco/OH
10/20/2011 1:25:25 PM (3637 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Kevin Ahern/CT
10/20/2011 2:38:46 PM (3575 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Scott Perry/PA
10/20/2011 9:43:50 PM (3618 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Anita Backlund/MN
10/21/2011 1:14:15 PM (3491 views)
Re: Rush to Drill for Natural Gas Creates Conflicts with Mortgages - Steve Vinciguerra/NY
10/24/2011 8:56:55 AM (3519 views)

Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/20/2011 10:46:35 AM (4215 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
10/24/2011 1:55:17 PM (3887 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Joyce Obrien/PA
11/4/2011 6:24:09 PM (3600 views)
Re: Aracor is Not Paying - Bruce Lutz/PA
11/3/2011 4:00:40 PM (3843 views)

The Sweep-It-Under-the-Rug Housing Plan - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 3:19:02 PM (3851 views)

US Century Bank, Florida won TARP loan, now teeters - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:43:08 PM (4076 views)

Comment on "Bevilacqua v. Rodriguez-- Mass. Buyers out of Foreclosure Get the [Mostly] Bad News" - Source of Title/OH
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3176 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:37:11 AM (3578 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 2:51:57 PM (3515 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:36:51 PM (3447 views)
Re: Bevilacqua - Robert Franco
10/24/2011 2:57:47 PM (3510 views)
Other interests - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:29:26 PM (3489 views)
Bevilacqua - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 11:44:48 AM (6465 views)

Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 10:03:01 AM (3250 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Susan McKee Shifflett/WV
10/19/2011 11:44:11 AM (3737 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 2:11:07 PM (3649 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:48:56 PM (3713 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/19/2011 12:49:01 PM (3638 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jason Knowles/AL
10/19/2011 2:55:08 PM (3480 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - trish kerns/PA
10/19/2011 9:03:16 PM (3617 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Stephenie Page/RI
10/21/2011 9:52:39 AM (3587 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Sheila Sten/PA
10/23/2011 9:33:12 PM (3469 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:49:13 AM (3501 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - Jacqueline Buck/NJ
10/24/2011 8:52:42 AM (3476 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 1:16:06 PM (3484 views)
Re: Real T Solutions - lloyd g/NE
3/20/2012 5:48:47 PM (3057 views)

Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/18/2011 10:58:36 PM (4411 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:37:57 AM (3356 views)
Re: Fannie Mae to phase out use of its retained attorney network - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/19/2011 5:34:13 PM (3292 views)

Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 7:46:52 PM (4402 views)
Big news day, thanks for bringing this to my attention - Slade Smith/OH
10/19/2011 4:40:19 AM (3308 views)
Re: Mass Court rules on Bevilacqua - & it's ugly for good faith purchasers - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:32:08 PM (3329 views)

Stewart Title bulletin re compliance with Massachusetts REBA v NREIS decision - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/18/2011 1:30:51 PM (5308 views)
Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:52:27 PM (3319 views)
Re: Interesting chain of lawyer efforts across nation - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
10/24/2011 3:02:21 PM (3230 views)


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