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Lost another one. - Dan Zook/CA
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Re: Lost another one. - CHARLENE  PERRY/MD
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Re: Lost another one. - Dan Zook/NY
11/2/2011 3:52:54 PM (2757 views)
Re: Lost another one. - Nils Nelson/ME
11/2/2011 5:44:57 PM (2767 views)
Re: Lost another one. - Brenda Summerlin/FL
11/7/2011 7:06:37 AM (2560 views)
Re: Lost another one. - Leigh Attridge/MA
11/2/2011 4:47:08 PM (2775 views)
Re: Lost another one. - Barbara Bennett/IN
11/7/2011 5:10:14 PM (2371 views)
Re: Lost another one. - ER/FL
11/16/2011 1:16:12 PM (2544 views)
Impossible - Bay Area Abstracting - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 7:56:15 AM (2610 views)
Re: Impossible - Bay Area Abstracting - john franz/NJ
11/7/2011 10:35:37 AM (2485 views)
Re: Impossible - Bay Area Abstracting - William Pattison /CA
11/14/2011 12:24:43 PM (2450 views)
Re: Impossible - Bay Area Abstracting - Dan Zook/NY
11/15/2011 9:10:08 AM (2615 views)
Re: Lost another one. - Clayton Griffith/TN
11/7/2011 11:32:24 PM (2393 views)
Re: Lost another one. - Paige Dunn/GA
11/19/2011 12:29:38 PM (2444 views)

Interesting Reading - Kevin Ahern/CT
11/1/2011 10:54:12 AM (4114 views)
Re: Interesting Reading - Leigh Attridge/MA
11/1/2011 11:22:36 AM (2463 views)
Re: Interesting Reading - Kevin Ahern/CT
11/1/2011 11:45:09 AM (2442 views)
Re: Interesting Reading - Slade Smith/OH
11/1/2011 11:44:48 AM (2362 views)

The Multistate Settlement Lottery: Bupkis - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/31/2011 2:07:55 PM (3578 views)

Comment on "The Abstract Solution Announces Agency Platform" - Source of Title/OH
10/31/2011 9:54:22 AM (2454 views)
Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Mark Pierson/FL
10/31/2011 9:54:22 AM (5372 views)
post deleted. - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:40:10 PM (5241 views)
Re: Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Matthew Einheber/PA
10/31/2011 5:10:50 PM (5154 views)
Re: Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Anita Backlund/MN
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Re: Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Kevin Ahern/CT
11/1/2011 7:29:01 AM (5207 views)
Re: Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Anita Backlund/MN
11/2/2011 7:33:21 PM (5103 views)
Re: Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Kevin Ahern/CT
11/3/2011 10:24:03 AM (5304 views)
Re: Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Matthew Einheber/PA
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Re: Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Gerry Scott/TN
11/1/2011 4:36:05 PM (5112 views)
Re: Let's cut the abstractors out of the picture - Matthew Einheber/PA
11/3/2011 3:53:21 PM (5098 views)
Its a solicitation list - Gerry Scott/TN
11/3/2011 10:09:31 AM (5329 views)

Is the jig up for MERS? - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/31/2011 8:27:00 AM (3644 views)


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Service1st, Service 1st, Service First, Valuenet - David Marks/VA
10/29/2011 10:31:22 AM (2610 views)
Re: Service1st, Service 1st, Service First, Valuenet - Bruce Lutz/PA
10/31/2011 10:51:03 AM (2613 views)

Mortgage regulator, Edward DeMarco, at home with criticism - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/27/2011 8:06:31 AM (3512 views)

Comment on "Another Big County Goes After MERS Back Fees" - Source of Title/OH
10/26/2011 7:00:19 PM (2392 views)
MERS - J. H./OH
10/26/2011 7:00:19 PM (3994 views)

Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 10:41:11 AM (3080 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - rod hefner/KS
10/26/2011 11:11:47 AM (2749 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
10/26/2011 3:40:25 PM (2658 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - rod hefner/KS
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Re: Rasa Solutions Kudos for Rod Hefner - Kym/NJ
11/2/2011 10:15:26 AM (2837 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Denise DeMattei/CA
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
10/26/2011 1:32:02 PM (2624 views)
Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Bridget Marinelli/PA
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Rebecca Cowart/MS
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Envelope Icon - great for email! - Kym/NJ
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Tony Costa/LA
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Kym/NJ
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Re: Rasa Solutions - Greg Weiss/IL
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Congratulations Are In Order - Patrick Scott/IL
10/25/2011 8:45:54 PM (2034 views)

Surprise on Refi Revamp: Key Regulator Agrees to Reforms - Leigh Attridge/MA
10/25/2011 3:21:38 PM (3650 views)

Comment on "NAR: Existing Home Sales Edge Down in September" - Source of Title/OH
10/25/2011 2:24:02 AM (1717 views)

Comment on "Breaking the Tie-- or Not" - Source of Title/OH
10/24/2011 8:01:51 PM (2319 views)
What about the document numbers? - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/24/2011 8:01:52 PM (2550 views)
CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 8:42:38 PM (2504 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Robert Franco/OH
10/24/2011 10:05:29 PM (2584 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/25/2011 5:44:23 AM (6131 views)
Re: CA underwriters - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 2:17:42 AM (2424 views)
Re: CA underwriters - Slade Smith/OH
10/26/2011 3:21:37 AM (2452 views)
lien priority is your answer - William Pattison /CA
10/26/2011 3:01:26 PM (2653 views)
But L.A. is Different... - Daniel Silverburg/CA
10/31/2011 8:23:32 AM (2389 views)

I worked in Los Angeles for about 10 years and Los Angeles has (or had) some unique recording issues that were different than any other county in the state, and they had their own solutions.  For example,

1) Los Angeles records many more than 5,000 docs a day.  It was between 15,000 and 20,000 a day when they were busy and around 10,000 on a normal day.

2) About 1/3 to 1/2 of those documents are submitted by the title companies.

3) Los Angeles was the first county in the United States to have a computerized title plant (I learned from someone who's first job was delivering 'punch cards' to or from the posters in the early 60's) - and they applied this to their recording concerns.  So they have had their systems in place for close to 50 years.

When I first started in Los Angeles, coming from much smaller San Mateo county, I mentioned that my last job in San Mateo was to index all my morning recordings for changes before recording and I asked how this was done in Los Angeles.  I was told that it is completely automated.  The plants in L.A. automatically checks all transactions set to record that morning and if there is a possible conflict, they show up in a "fallout" report in the morning for the title officers.  Recordings are then 'pulled' based on that report.  My first question when I read this article was - why did that not happen here?

This next part may have completely changed since Los Angeles went to electronic recordings some years back, but when I was there, L.A. county reserved blocks of numbers for the title company recordings.  By 4:30 A.M. (when title company and county employees showed up and started recording for the day) each service company had their block of numbers assigned that would be for their recordings that day.  Since everyone has the same 8:00 time stamp, and the plant systems are supposed to catch these conflicting recordings, I never heard of this being a problem before.

So, because of their volume, Los Angeles has some complicated recording processes that are unique to Los Angeles.  

But I believe it is commonly understood, like Will said, that if a conflict arises based on the time stamp, then it defaults to sequence of the document numbers.  Ask any title officer in California and I bet you will get the same answer.

"The indexing timestamp does not break ties in California when the recording timestamps of two documents show the exact same time.  Neither mortgage is first, so they both have equal priority, the court ruled."

 

OF COURSE the indexing time stamp does not break ties in California!  Otherwise county recorders would not sit on stacks of IRS liens for two weeks waiting until they had the time to index them.  It has always been first to submit.  But the above statement says nothing about the document numbers - which dogma says should be the tie breaker.  Now I want to look this case up and see if this is even mentioned.  And since I was taught to never trust dogma, I am also curious if there is a statute or precedent regarding document numbers breaking the tie.

Since, in my mind, this is a title company systems issue, I agree with Mr. Smith that the insurers should have split the loss up between themselves - then they should fix the hole in their system.

 

And Mr. Patterson is right about San Francisco!  We have been asking, begging, yelling, threatening, cajoling... the San Francisco County Recorder to keep their index current for over 10 years.  A three week index date in California is insane - not just for Notice of Trustee's Sales, but for Bulk Sales (12 day window), Mechanics liens (30 day window) etc.  The answer they keep giving?  Staff out with the flu, short staffed, really busy, having to train, computers down.  The same issues every government agency and business in world has to deal with.  You are not unique.  This is so frustrating for us.  Sure!  We don't mind being sued for a million dollars because you can't keep your index current!  We're fine with that.  Grrrrrrr!

Mr. Smith, can you give me the case name for this?  I would like to look this one up.

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Re: But L.A. is Different... - Slade Smith/OH
10/31/2011 1:25:11 PM (4924 views)
Re: But L.A. is Different... - William Pattison /CA
11/7/2011 8:16:56 AM (2352 views)

Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kimberly Goode/GA
10/24/2011 12:55:23 PM (2648 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Barbara Bennett/IN
10/24/2011 3:46:44 PM (2729 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Jodi Thornton/MS
10/24/2011 6:07:39 PM (2693 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Dan Zook/NY
10/26/2011 9:19:37 AM (3605 views)
Re: Applied Tech Resources Doesn't Pay - Kristine Bjorge/OR
3/27/2012 5:14:08 PM (2191 views)

another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:35:44 AM (2840 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anthony BROWNN/VA
10/24/2011 11:47:17 AM (2891 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - William Pattison /CA
10/24/2011 2:20:36 PM (2816 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Anita Backlund/MN
10/26/2011 10:14:45 PM (2587 views)
Re: another company who does not pay - Jason Knowles/AL
10/24/2011 3:41:09 PM (2699 views)


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